Treasons She Gets Under Your Skin (The Mueller Investigation Part 105)

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Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Treasons We Celebrate This Season (The Mueller Investigation Part 68) (December 15, 2018)

Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69) (December 19, 2018)

O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 70) (December 22, 2018)

Treasons We'll Be Ringing in the New Year (The Mueller Investigation Part 71) (December 27, 2018)

Treasons I'm Coming For You (The Mueller Investigation Part 72) (January 3, 2019)

A Shutdown is Perfectly Treasonable (The Mueller Investigation Part 73) (January 6, 2019)

Treasons I'm Focused (The Mueller Investigation Part 74) (January 10, 2019)

Treasons We Need A Wall (The Mueller Investigation Part 75) (January 13, 2019)

Mid-Treason Replacement (The Mueller Investigation Part 76) (January 15, 2019)

A Treasonable Request (The Mueller Investigation Part 77) (January 19, 2019)

Treasons to Postpone (The Mueller Investigation Part 78) (January 23, 2019)

Swinging from the Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 79) (January 26, 2019)

Sweating Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 80) (January 30, 2019)

I'll Be Your Girl For All Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 81) (February 4, 2019)

House Cleaning Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 82) (February 9, 2019)

For Emergency Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 83) (February 15, 2019)

Treasons I Speak (The Mueller Investigation Part 84) (February 19, 2019)

Treasonable Preparations (The Mueller Investigation Part 85) (February 23, 2019)

Treasons for Redemption (The Mueller Investigation Part 86) (March 1, 2019)

Treasons to Watch (The Mueller Investigation Part 87) (March 7, 2019)

A Treasonable Amount of Time (The Mueller Investigation Part 88) (March 11, 2019)

Treasons I Have Veto Power (The Mueller Investigation Part 89) (March 18, 2019)

Treasons I've Submitted My Report (The Mueller Investigation Part 90) (March 22, 2019)

Treasons to Continue On (The Mueller Investigation Part 91) (March 24, 2019)

Treasons For a Barr Cover (The Mueller Investigation Part 92) (March 24, 2019)

Treasons to Protect Our Assets (The Mueller Investigation Part 93) (March 26, 2019)

Treasonable Interference (The Mueller Investigation Part 94) (March 31, 2019)

Tax Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 95) (April 6, 2019)

Treasons You May Leave (The Mueller Investigation Part 96) (April 11, 2019)

Treasonable Redactions (The Mueller Investigation Part 97) (April 18, 2019)

Treasons We Won't Abandon Him (The Mueller Investigation Part 98) (April 19, 2019)

Treasons to Subpoena (The Mueller Investigation Part 99) (April 24, 2019)

Treasons She was Right... About Everything (The Mueller Investigation Part 100) (April 30, 2019)

Treasonable Returns on Your Investment (The Mueller Investigation Part 101) (May 3, 2019)

When It's Treasonable to Assert Your Privilege (The Mueller Investigation Part 102) (May 9, 2019)

Treasons You May Have a Rat (The Mueller Investigation Part 103)(May 17, 2019)

Treasons to Like Subpoena Coladas (The Mueller Investigation Part 104) (May 22, 2019)

Treasons She Gets Under Your Skin (The Mueller Investigation Part 105) (May 28, 2019)

lmao that clap will never not be funny.

Remember their earlier congressional days?

and of course deplorables have no issue with their orange fuhrer saying he agrees with Kim trashing Biden. That's a new low and loss of norms

Oh, my!

Next up: Dotard has to pretend he doesn't think Theresa May is a LOSER.

I hope Trump does something really heinous in his UK trip. I want him to be endlessly bashed in the media

He's gonna show up r10.

A last-minute cancellation by any member of the Royal Family ("Unfortunately, Her Majesty is indisposed today.") would make me happy.

I believe Wolfe. I believe him when he wrote that Mueller drew up charges against Trump. And I will continue to believe Wolfe until I hear otherwise from Mueller himself.

it just really bothers me that this illegitimate impostor gets to parade around pretending he gives a shit while meeting the most important people in the world and getting free travel and cultural activities. I wish other world leaders would just refuse to meet with him

Ahhhhhhhhh! Dump's Formidable 2020 Tailwind, per NYT's Rattner:

can someone explain how 1 repub in Congress blocked a House bill passing that would provide disaster relief? Why is unanimous consent needed? I thought only a House majority is needed to pass any bill?

Tailwind.......

Wasn't Lynne Patton the "human prop" used at the Cohen hearing? An ugly little troll of a woman. IIRC, she had sunglasses perched on top of her head at the hearing like a low-class individual.

Reuters: Disaster aid bill worth $19.1B blocked again in U.S. House

Rep. Thomas Massie is absolutely hideous.

R16 I read something a few days ago about this. It passed in the senate and went to the house. Because of the holiday, it was a voice vote that needed to be unanimous, so some sort of procedural vote. No one expected idiot republican to vote no.

Now two of them have, r21.

In my mind, it's like the Rainbow Tour from Evita.

Will we still have these threads in one year?

R24, as much as I keep coming back to read these threads, I sincerely hope not. I want a normal life.

While I disagree with the Republican Congressman, these Representatives take frequent and long breaks. They take way too much time off. And when they are in session, they move slow and delay so much.

R13, a spokesperson for Mueller denied the claim made by Wolff, per CNBC. We'll see.

He didn't exactly make a denial, R27. Carr said that the documents as described do not exist. Maybe there's a difference in the way Wolfe worded it from the actual document, hence the "as described" comment. Maybe the document has been destroyed, hence the "do not exist" comment. I believe Wolfe.

either way it's annoying as Fox can run with yet another false narrative

I'm glad Justin Amash is holding a town hall and doubling down on his opinions

Amash did another twitter thread today....it was brutal. This time he went after Barr.

Amash thread

The media is going to have to step up their game. They all want access and it has become toxic because they get played by the GOP. They are told tons in private, about how hated Pres Bone Spurs is, how most of them think he has committed impeachable offenses, obstructed justice, they know he has paid for women to have abortions, they strongly suspect he is compromised by Putin, but they do not want that access to stop. So round and round we go. They get their scoops but nothing changes.

Many of these reps are themselves compromised. The media doesn't want to dig into their GOP sources too much because they lose their scoop. There is a lot of, "I'll tell you this but please keep my name clean" and they do.

Journalists know so much they aren't reporting. In their defense, and I hate to defend them, they are in a similar position the Dems are in. The GOP has thrown out all sense of decency and shame. There is nothing too low for them to stoop. Everyone is trying to figure out the balance of breaking this wide open before the GOP can do more damage, damage we may not be able to fix for a long, long time.

Dems are causing real damage to him. He is going bonkers by the minute and it is on full display. The media seems willing to just report on what the Dems find without real investigative reporting that comes to damning conclusions. They want that access!

This asshole should go down as the most worthless pos in American political history.

[quote]In my mind, it's like the Rainbow Tour from Evita.

Melania: "Did you hear that! They called me a whore. They actually called me a whore!"

Shinzon Abe: "But Senora Trump, it is an easy mistake. You showed off your titties and cunt in a magazine long ago..."

Instead of taking a 10 day Memorial holiday break, these committees and leadership need to be acting. Then another long break July 4th if not before. Lawd forbid, they would have to work more than a month at a time.

The leader took a long sip of what appeared to be iced tea before announcing with a smile, "Oh, we'd fill it," triggering loud laughter from the audience.

Some media is calling out Ms. Graham.

So The Hill is going in the far-right lane now?

Covering Franklin Graham now? A special day of prayer to protect Trump from his enemies? Gezzzz.

McConnell is easily the biggest villain here. Evil to the core. A true demon with a black soul. I am sure there are scores of dead creatures around his childhood home buried in small graves.

It's not just Graham- the entire GOP even "moderates" like Collins and Murkowski go along with 99.9% of what he wants. They don't call out shit and could really stop a lot of this fuckery if they formed a small coalition. They have the power. All they need is 5 decent Senators to stop these extreme judicial noms and policies. But no, they don't. Graham is a distraction. The focus needs to be on the entire GOP.

There has got to be something on McConnell the House can investigate.

Any thoughts?

Justin Amash was looking like a hot daddy in a form fitting polo at his town hall, he appears to have a nice build. They have been covering it on MSNBC today. Glad at least one Republican is standing up to trump.

I can't believe it, but I find him very doable, too, R41.

The Hill has been right wing shit for years, R38.

[quote]I hope Trump does something really heinous in his UK trip. I want him to be endlessly bashed in the media.

I hope he falls down a long flight of stairs and the Queen is standing at the top, sliding her leg back in and smirking. Later, a comment will be overheard but never confirmed..."Walk in front of me, will you?"

And, then there's the fact that we've watched Trump do the exact things listed in the purported indictment. In fact, it's the exact indictment we were all asking, "Where's the fucking indictment about all this obvious shit we've seen him do?".

Mueller wrote it. DoJ quashed it.

God, I love this...

Media-ite: Comey Goes Off on Trump’s ‘Treason’ Claims in New Op-Ed: ‘The President is a Liar’

Too little too late, Comeykins.

Enough of the false repentance, Comey.

Apparently the Washington Times or whatever is running an article saying that the "truth" has been uncovered and this Russian collusion investigation has backfired on Dems because Hillary and Obama have been found to have actually been the ones to have been colluding and indictments are coming!!!!

At least that was the gist of what the preview basically said that someone I know posted. This asshole and his friends literally post about Hillary every single day and it's amazing how they kept saying that Russian collusion was not a big deal when it came to Dotard (they were fine with it) but now they're up in arms and screeching about what traitors Hillary and Obama are!

The mental illness is astounding.

I'm surprised the Washington Times is still a thing.

How can so many "Christians" follow and support so many people whose every action is literally anti-Christian? All of these "Christian" politicians (the ones in the GOP) and leaders are evil to the core, hate the poor, and lie with enthusiasm, among other things. If the devil is real and wanted to hurt God, he would do exactly what they are doing. Nothing would hurt God more than having people do and act in horrible ways all in his name.

Comey helped elect Trump. His interactions with Jason Chaffetz to this end, were quite disturbing.

Comey deserved to be fired. But not by the person who did it at the wrong time and for the wrong reason.

Had Comey not undermined HRC and the Democrats, he would be receiving much more understanding and support.

He's right about Trump, but was injuring HRC's campaign while knowing Trump was very cozy with the Russians and not commenting about it at the time. Trying to make-up for it post-election is arrogant political calculation after the worst damage was already done.

I finally fucking get it - how McConnell and Kavanaugh steamrolled everyone to get Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court.

Watching last week's Frontline (thanks to the poster from previous thread that suggested it) about SCOTUS nominations since Bork. You saw Dr. Ford give her testimony, and it was hard to watch because it was so real and so raw. And then, under oath, Kavanaugh testified, "I never had any sexual or physical encounter of any kind with Doctor Ford."

No, he didn't. He had sexual relations and physical encounters with STUDENT Ford. He can deny having any type of relations with DOCTOR Ford, because it happened when she was still in school.

Good god, I hope this man gets his comeuppance. SOON.

[quote]Good god, I hope this man gets his comeuppance. SOON.

Well, perhaps against his will, he's long-time consigned to be most prominent in Lindsey Graham's primary pic for Twitter.

Turtle is a big chunk of dingleberry.

Honey, r51, we've been at this a VERY long time

The irony about Comey is that he talked disparagingly about Hillary while covering up Trump’s wrong-doing, in an effort to help the Republican Party win, whether he wants to admit it or not. Now he’s got his wish, and Trump and the GOP are accusing the FBI of treason for investigating him.

What will Comey say when Trump starts executing FBI agents or throwing them in prison for decades? “Oops, my bad”?

The FBI is being dismantled directly as a result of the former head of the FBI. Karma.

Kamala Harris spoke at a town hall in SC on Lawrence O'Donnell tonight. She was brilliant. She gives me hope.

R58 In your opinion, how does Kamala compare to the other 22 candidates? I've always been very impressed with her.

Google the big favor she did Steve Mnuchin. You’ll be less impressed.

R60 I just did. A bunch of articles came up, most notably the one linked below.

It's a long article, but this is the gist:

["The fact is that Mnuchin- the CEO of OneWest, didn’t have evidence against him for a criminal indictment. There were some *civil* claims potentially recommended against him in a grand total of only 8 cases. Only 8. So, not the “thousands” that these hack writers are trying to claim. Eight. And those eight cases were looked into by Harris’ team of prosecutors for months. Winning them (again, only in civil court, not criminal charges), rested on some untested legal theories and potential major jurisdictional issues. In the end, the AG office has limited resources and decided those resources were better spent on bigger cases affecting more people and criminal charges. In other words, it’s a blatant propaganda lie that she “didn’t indict Mnuchin"]

Important word: Propaganda

R59, I'm not familiar with all of the candidates yet but right now Harris is my favorite. I'm not for Bernie Sanders, never was. I like hearing him speak, like his ideas, but to me he doesn't have the breadth of vision to be president. I also don't like that he's running as a Democrat when he's really an independent. But if by some miracle he wins the nomination I'll support him.

I like Joe Biden. If he wins the nomination I'll support him but he should pick Harris as his running mate.

I also like Elizabeth Warren's ideas, she'd make a great cabinet head but I'm not sure she can win the presidency. Also like Pete Buttigieg, just not sure America will vote for a gay man at this point no matter how qualified. I still have more to learn about him though, but so far I like what I've seen. I don't feel strongly about Beto O'Rourke one way or another although I wish he'd won the Senate seat in Texas.

I also like: Kirsten Gillibrand, Cory Booker, Michael Bennet, Eric Swalwell (probably he's too young), WA Gov. Jay Inslee, Amy Klobuchar, and Julian Castro but I need to read up on all of them more.

I also need to learn more about the following to have an stronger opinion: Andrew Yang, Mayor Bill de Blasio , Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (not so sure about her), Gov. John Hickenlooper

I know nothing about Montana Gov. Steve Bullock, John Delaney, former Sen. Mike Gravel, author Marianne Williamson, Mayor Wayne Messam, Rep. Seth Moulton, or Tim Ryan.

We've got a lot of homework to do!

Liking Elizabeth Warren more and more. She is willing, actually eager, to put out her ideas and not hide behind platitudes. Nice change from the norm.

Elizabeth and Kamala would be wonderful! You know, I have to laugh at the articles slithering out about how "concerned" the Democrats are about "electability." I'm voting for the Democrat. IMO Donald Trump makes almost all Dems electable. I'd exclude Bernie, Tulsi Gabbard who is a DINO, and Seth Moulton who is absolutely the worst self-promoting asshole I've seen lately. He stumbles all over himself when he's confronted with his sabotage and opposition to Pelosi. But other than that I will stomach anyone, because defeating Trump is the incentive. Period.

The possibility of getting him out of the WH will generate a lot of enthusiasm. Even now, Mainstream media is talking about how he can win, and how hard it is to defeat an incumbent with a strong economy. As if they're preparing us. But we need to turn that bullshit off, work hard to support free fair elections in our states, and show up to vote in 2020. The Republicans a re not just investigating the FBI, they a re weaponizing every investigative tool in every state. In Georgia, right now they have begun a criminal investigation into Stacy Abrams and her staff!!!! This will be a mean ugly campaign. WE have to be ready and we have to wall off the noise.

Warren & Harris, no. Pandering with reperations promises. Speaking of divisiveness.....

^reparations

Harris was an awkward campaigner out of the gate, but she’s improved remarkably. She has a natural charisma and strength in her demeanor, so she’ll be one to watch.

Don’t forget, she (and most of the contenders) are unknowns to the casual voter. Someone will catch fire, and I don’t think it will be Bernie or Joe.

I'm voting for whichever Democrat has the nomination, but I really hope that Justin Amash runs against Trump and splits the Republican ticket.

R68 Amash splitting the GOP ticket would be awesome!

Finally! Mueller will be making a statement but not taking questions.

Mueller speaks before cameras at 11.

Not since Garbo!!!

Washington Post: House subpoenas for Trump’s bank records put on hold while president appeals

I get that we're in a constitutional crisis and people want to exhaust all avenues but god damnit make the bank produce trumps records

Mueller speaks....followed by Trump tweets, Barr having a lobster & filet & chocolate cake power lunch at Trump Hotel, Miss Lindzey being interviewed by Fox, Sarah Sanders in front of the WH espousing bullshit after downing a large pepperoni & sausage pizza, Kellyanne rehearsing her yapping points for Chris Cuomo later, and McConnell laying a turtle egg.

This is going to be a big fat nothing. If Barr is allowing him to speak publicly, he's not going to say anything that Barr has not approved. Mueller still needs to testify and answer questions.

Yes this was orchestrated by Barr. So it presumably will help that fucking fat liar in the White House.

I agree with R76. I was just about to post the same thing. I have no expectation that Mueller is going to say anything significant or that doesn't end up favoring what Barr wants him to say.

So much for his being a man of honor and integrity.

But if that's the case, why would Mueller go along with it? He went to the trouble of disputing Barr's letter just to come out and say something Barr-approved now? That would make zero sense, though at this point, I guess nothing surprises me anymore.

^Then why not testify openly so that you can set the record straight about how Barr wrongly summarized your report?

Ok is this delay in testifying having to do with investigations that have not wrapped up? Mueller did offer to speak behind closed doors to protect those investigations??

R80 Mueller's dispute with Barr was internal to the DoJ. But it unexpectedly leaked probably to his dismay. When facing the public, Mueller might be more "company man" toeing the line. I certainly hope that's the case, but his reluctance to testify openly is making me lose faith in him.

Mueller will probably endore Trump for 2020.

I’m not getting my hopes up but I do hope that Mueller has found his balls and will speak the truth. But I’m expecting some pablum about the ongoing investigation and the need for discretion. But what if he drops a bomb? It’s delicious to think about!

It’s strange he picked a Wednesday at 11:00 am—top news tier hour—rather than a Friday at 4.

Bill Barr is physically in Alaska vacationing right now.

He is too fat to be salmon fishing with Sarah Palin.

If Mueller doesn't stand up to Barr and Trump then what's the point? Why worship this guy at all?

That's why the right wing fucked with Michael Avenatti, because he used the media to his advantage and positioned himself as a media friendly hero for the Liberals standing up to Trump and his associates.

Dump has been radio silent on Twitter which is all you need to know if he were not already aware of what is going to be said he would be trying to get in front of it.

maybe this will be a statement about all of the indictments against Hillary and Obama that the Washington times and Fox news happened talking about!

I am expecting Mueller to say, you are all wrong, I meant to say that Trump is simply the most delightful person ever.

Well no, not really, but he’s probably going to say what Comey said, Trump was careless but did nothing wrong. He’s still an employee under Barr. Barr is probably telling him what to say. For some reason Mueller doesn’t give a rat’s ass what happens to the country and is only making a statement to sell us all out. Otherwise he would allow questions.

No way is this good. He’s fighting against testifying because he knows he would have to say something bad and doesn’t want to. He’s not fighting against testifying because he’s going to testify that Trump is innocent and wonderful.

What is up with the audio ?...its like that on all the channels.

Why is the audio so bad?

Mueller: if we thought that the President had not obstructed justice, we would have said so.

What does everyone think about the statement?

He’s completely spineless. They know several instances of obstruction, but since he can’t charge a sitting president, it was all for nothing?

R94 What Mueller said was poking at Barr's statement. Mueller said that there was obstruction, and that the American people deserve to know.

R95, no, it’s up to Congress to act on the instances of obstruction.

R95 It's up to Congress to pull the trigger on holding the president accountable for his actions.

So he is done and will not appear before Congress?

And they won’t.

As these clowns continue to ignore the rule of law.

He said (1) that Russia interfered in the election to hurt Clinton and help Trump, and (2) that there was obstruction, but that Trump can’t be charged while he’s in office, i.e. Trump is guilty. Exactly what the report says.

I expected him to be a much better speaker than he actually is he was terrible.

R103, he’s not a politician. Most politicians in fact sound worse.

What is the consensus on this? I wasn’t able to watch the full statement because some cunt in my office was talking loudly and Mueller barely spoke above a whisper-level.

Tump is not a sitting president when his claim to the presidency is illegitimate.

Well, Mueller said he was told he could never indict Trump no matter what. He said, he couldn’t say if he was guilty because he couldn’t defend himself in a court of law.

But he did say, if I could have cleared him, I WOULD HAVE DONE SO.

So if Congress doesn’t impeach, Trump can shoot a guy on Fifth Avenue.

Is Susan Collins concerned about this?

Nothing about that statement HELPED Trump, to be perfectly honest. There was no “exoneration” which that fat blimp has been saying for the past two months. He specifically said that if Trump had done nothing wrong, he would have said so.

I agree, r109, especially when you listen for what Mueller implies. I do think Mueller's statement was subtle enough that it's possible people will miss the inference that

1. The report suggests Congress take action

2. Trump isn't cleared on conspiracy (definitely not cleared on collusion) nor obstruction

3. Every American should be concerned with Russia's actions (and by extension Trump's too) relating to our elections

Not only do we risk missing those key inferences, we miss Mueller's repeatedly describes the report as being "largely" released. Could he be drawing attention to the 1/8th of the report and the underlying materials and their importance?

Has anyone here read the full Muller report? If so what were your conclusions?

Congress doesn't need endless hearings from the likes of Hope Hicks, McGahn, Barr, and other deplorables. All that will be dragged out with delays and court filings Get the full, unredacted Mueller Report, deliberate, and impeach.

The Senate won't convict if it is sooner or later. Get them on record.

Nadler will make a statement today at 3 pm. Stay tuned.

R113: Oh boy ... Now, what is he going to say?

What is boils down to, in my opinion, is Congress do your goddamn job.

R115!

I have been saying over and over that the admins hold on deploraville is cracking.

And now this:

GOP impeachment champion gets a hero's welcome back home Tuesday’s town hall event was Justin Amash’s first public one since he called for Trump’s removal.

R111, the Mueller Report is very well-written and thriller-like. It’s impossible to come away from it without thinking that Trump is guilty both of conspiring with Russia and of obstructing justice. Mueller, of course, found there was insufficient evidence to charge conspiracy, but there are so many connections between Trump’s campaign and Russia, and Trump’s attempts to shut down the investigation were so outrageous, it hard to believe that he was is guilty of conspiracy.

The deplorables are up for the taking.

I’m sure other repug congressmen want a taste of the hero’s welcome.

Who’s most likely to be next?

Justin Amash is the new Robert Mueller.

I want to blow Amash.

R117: Good to hear and not surprised! People are sick of Trump's bullshit. Republican citizens included. So many Republicans in Congress have the chance to be heroes, but are compromised chicken-shits instead.

I hate Bob Mueller.

Rick Wilson:

Shorter Mueller: "Over to you, Nancy."

The American people are so lazy and complacent at this point, they won't be able to understand anything beyond Trump is guilty. They won't read the report and unfortunately, they aren't holding their elected officials responsible. Trump and team are breaking the law DAILY and no one cares. If it was Obama, people would be freaking out thanks to Fox News

Even Faux News can’t spin this. Here’s Bret Baier:

“I was struck by the tone and tenor of the remarks as he laid out his case wrapping up this report,” the Fox News anchor explained. “This was not as the president says time and time again no collusion, no obstruction. It was much more nuanced than that.”

“He said they couldn’t find evidence on the collusion part of the investigation of the Trump campaign,” Baier said. “He said if they had found that the president did not commit a crime on obstruction, they would have said that.”

Congress is still on their vacation. No wonder they can't get anything done.

Well, at least he didn’t simply quote Trump, who has already said Mueller just said he’s completely innocent in every way and it’s over.

How on earth can even Republicans believe it’s over? Do they think Democrats in Congress are all going to drop dead? Or be arrested and put in jail? Because I think that’s a possibility. Why not? Trump is completely immune to all prosecution, Mueller just said so.

You just know Miss Thang quick to tweet and follow Trump's lead.

If you read the Mueller report he makes it quite clear that IT IS A REFERRAL TO BEGIN AN IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION.

Today he restated that the referral remains pending.

Hmmmm, wonder why Plump is so quiet about Amash?

They are going wild for him in his district.

Nadler to hold presser in NYC at 2 pm et

R130 This should be sounded from the rooftops!

IMPEACH THIS CORRUPT CRETIN!!!

Treason is for reason for the season the reason for 200 threads on the same thing made by the same old queen with the vapors.

R126 and still Baier is misspeaking. Mueller said he did not find enough evidence on CONSPIRACY, not collusion. It's clear Trump did collude but it didn't rise to the legal standard of conspiracy since they couldn't find evidence of agreement

We know trump's camp colluded with Russia. It's out there for all to see. We also know he is systematically destroying our government with his malignant narcissism, blatant greed, and reversing of progressive actions.

Personally, I think impeachment investigations need to begin but more importantly, and perhaps our only hope, is to vote him out. He is an embarrassment and disgrace to this country and has never been fit to serve. We're fighting a terrible battle against idiocy and ignorance and that is conservatives and republicans. Willfully ignorant of their self-serving greed and hate.

R126 but that does show Baier is not the same level of disgrace as other Fox hosts. Former district attorney and country judge Jeanine Pirro as well as Geraldo and Newt Gingrich all tweeted basically it's over nothing to see here no impeachment lol so I give Baier some credit

I just emailed Pelosi. If she and other Congresspeople start hearing calls for impeachment proceedings loud and clear from constituents, they will have no choice.

R138: I am sure they have received MANY emails, letters and calls...

I wish Mueller would understand that the report is NOT CLEAR ENOUGH for most Americans to understand. As already stated, there are 2 groups who currently don't know/understand what is going on. The first group is just stupid and doesn't understand any kind of nuance, which is why Trump is able to confuse them with his lies and spin. The other group is just fucking lazy and doesn't care enough so they go only with the headlines.

The public would definitely watch and have an interest in seeing Mueller testify. Even if he just sits there and reads certain parts of his report to Congress that would be enough. Currently though, not enough of the public has been educated. HE NEEDS TO TESTIFY.

His constant by the book shit does not fly anymore. I bet tonight Fox will start attacking him. He's not going to say anything and just let them smear his name? OK....

Trump won't be impeached and will win re-election. He'll implode in his second term. It's a waste of time even getting upset by this. This is typical American bullshit. You should have realized this when Bush Jr was re-elected and Nixon was pardoned.

as cutie Elliot Williams just said, there is currently a dispute about facts between Mueller and Barr so that needs to be cleared up and the best way is through testimony. He has no doubt Mueller will testify by working out a deal with Congress. I hope it's public I mean come the fuck on

this shows why repub trickery works. They speak with simple, blunt words. So they are lying with "no collusion, no obstruction" but that is a clear message so it becomes popular. The nuanced shit of Mueller and certain Democrats is not as effective. That's why Pelosi saying "cover-up" last week was so effective for 2 days (until other stories took it over). The Democrats need to stop being nuanced. Mueller unfortunately will never not speak in a nuanced way

You know, the (redacted) Mueller Report is like The Bible in the sense that people pick whatever small quote that suits their point of view.

The report should've ended with: Donald Trump is guilty as sin and hanged by his own, tiny balls.

Not even Fox News could have spun that.

Mueller isn’t saying anything more about anything. He’s going to resign and write a book and make a zillion bucks. It’s all about the money.

[quote]He’s going to resign and write a book and make a zillion bucks.

It doesn't seem that he is willing to talk in public, at least not for the good of the country (not even in Congress). If he does write a book and go on a book tour for $$$, well then... how is different than Comey or any other Republican.

If Congress has any brains at all, they’ll subpoena Mueller.

On CNN, someone read a message they got from a high level national security person who didn’t want his name used. He sounded very frustrated and angry. He gave her a long list of questions Mueller should be asked that he has never answered. They were all good questions too. I wish that guy could question him for Congress.

What were some of the questions, R146?

[quote]If Congress has any brains at all, they’ll subpoena Mueller.

Uh, he's going to testify, hon. He won't have a choice.

[quote] Mueller unfortunately will never not speak in a nuanced way

Frankly, I would expect better precision in language then "we didn't have confidence", which is not even a legal term, is it?

This is why I like Elizabeth Warren and why I like Pete. There is an indisputable clarity in their language.

This is what Warren said:

[quote]"He didn't exonerate the president because there is evidence he committed crimes."

It is much clearer than what Mueller said:

[quote]"If Trump clearly had not committed a crime 'we would have said so."

Even Dee Plorable would understand Warren's phrasing.

Correction. This is Mueller's quote:

[quote]“If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so,”

So convoluted.

R140-That's exactly right. Mueller must know that the majority of Americans aren't going to wade through hundreds of pages of legal words and a lot of sentences longer than 5 words. His report is his testimony but it would have more weight with the public if he was forced to simplify it via a public hearing.

That's how Congress should go forward - get Mueller in front of the public, no matter how they need to do it. Then go through all the relevant points of the report. It doesn't matter if Mueller refuses to answer questions beyond what's in the report - all he has to do is "dumb down" what he wrote so that most Americans can understand it.

Is Nadler giving a news conference at 2PM ET?

[quote]So convoluted.

But so easy to become popularly simplified as, 'If we thought The President was innocent, we would have said so.'

The invitation to do so is clear. An invitation we should all accept.

I understand, R153. But using "innocent" in the sentence has far less gravitas than "guilty" (which is why Warren used it).

Nadler statement live stream:

Mueller puts the burden on Congress, he all but says if he weren't POTUS I would have charged him, and he totally robs Barr and Trump of any spin. No more can Trump go out here and say Russia didn't do anything. No more can he go out here and say "No Collusion!" No more can he got out here and say this is all a bullsht Democratic conspiracy....well he can, but there is no ambiguity in what Mueller said.

R156, tRump already did a spin on what Mueller said.

so Nadler did not answer if Mueller will testify. He answered "I think we have all we need in the report".

If this means Mueller will never testify publicly, this does a lot of damage to the calls for impeachment at least at this point. There is no one more important to hear from than Mueller. It was good he said something today but again it wasn't clear enough for a lot of people. Most of the public still thinks "collusion" and legal standard "conspiracy" are the same thing. Most of them don't know Trump's campaign had over 200 contacts with the Russians and that they were doing things to help each other, just without an official agreement Mueller could find. That is collusion but not conspiracy.

It's also clear as over 800 former federal prosecutors have signed in a statement that Trump committed obstruction of justice and would have been charged if not for the OLC policy. I'm glad Mueller mentioned this but of of course he didn't say "I would have charged", only "I couldn't have charged".

Seriously, haul his ass in and make him talk.

Dems need to stop being polite... This shit is for real. Impeach or get off the toilet.

and will the House do anything about the fact that Barr and Mueller are saying 2 different things regarding the OLC policy? Barr clearly said it was not a factor while Mueller made sure to mention it, meaning it was a factor

JFC, just watched Mueller's statement. The vast majority of people are not going to understand the nuance of what he is saying, and his subtleties lay his words right open to twisting by Repugs. And fuck his "This is all I have to say on the matter" stance. If Congress subpoena him, he will fucking turn up and answer their questions fully, and he will fucking like it.

The House was clearly banking on the public getting to see live testimonies from key witnesses like John Dean in Watergate (way before my time so I can't appreciate what that must have been like).

With Mueller punting everything to Congress and making it clear he won't say anything beyond what is written in the report as well as refusals by McGahn and others to testify before the House, this is a big problem. Public opinion won't shift without public hearings

Mueller will testify if he is subpoenaed, but he twice said that this report is his testimony and he would add nothing new if he were asked to testfy to Congress. He said everything is in the report. But IMO what Congress must get, are the supporting documentation and unredacted full clean report. If the Prosecutor is saying "it's all there" then dammit, Congress is entitled to the full, unredacted report so it can do it's job. Step away from Mueller personally testifying for the moment and focus on getting that fucking report from Barr. If anything, Mueller's statement today makes it absolutely necessary for Congress to act, and for Congress to have the information to act.

Someone on another thread pointed out during Watergate they had a committee of 8 (?) people who asked questions for an extended period of time. Now we have large groups of people who have limited amounts of time to ask questions and it isn't as effective.

R164, he was lying.

If someone asks him a question, he has to answer. And if the question refers to something that wasn’t in the final report, he has to answer.

R147, One of the questions was, why didn’t you call Trump in for questioning?

R165, this goes to the question of having staff lawyers ask questions or having elected House members or Senators asking questions. During Watergate, the witnesses were questioned by staff. Attorneys for the Select committee investigating Impeachment or WTF ever it's called. It worked much better. Too often when the elected officials do it, they are performing, playing to the cameras, and bullshit ensues.

a right wing talking point is that the job of a prosecutor is either to indict or decline to indict but not exonerate. They therefore criticize Mueller when he says "if we had confidence that Trump did not commit a crime, we would so state." and that "we do not exonerate Trump." It is true that Mueller is not "being by the book" when he says something like that. It's a judgement call though because he clearly felt he needed to say that BECAUSE OF THE OLC POLICY. The right wingers always fail to connect those 2 together.

This also leads to another point though. Mueller is clearly willing to not be by the book in 1 instance but when it comes to testifying and giving his opinion he goes back to being by the book. I find that problematic

Where is Barr vacationing at the moment? Someone needs to casually walk into a restaurant where he’s dining with his family, and dump a bucket of coagulated pig blood on him. Or “milkshake” him while clearly stating that it is bull semen.

During hearings when a Congressman will have 5 minutes to ask questions, he or she may spend 4 of those minutes grandstanding or make commentaries that have nothing to do with extracting new, pertinent information from the witness.

Using legal staff is a better approach.

Another Faux News takedown of Trump:

"Fox News senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano said Wednesday that special counsel Robert Mueller had indicated that he found evidence that Donald Trump committed a crime — but was unable to indict him because Trump is a sitting president.

"Napolitano reacted to Mueller’s press conference during an appearance on the Fox Business Network.

“Effectively what Bob Mueller said is we had evidence that he committed a crime but we couldn’t charge him because he’s the president of the United States,” Napolitano explained. “This is even stronger than the language in his report. This is also a parting shot at his soon-to-be former boss, the attorney general, because this statement is 180 degrees from the four-page statement that Bill Barr issued at the time he first saw the report.”

“Is it that bad?” host Stuart Varney remarked.

“I think so,” Napolitano replied. “Basically he’s saying the president can’t be indicted, otherwise we would have indicted him and we’re not going to charge him with a crime because there’s no forum in which for him to refute the charges, but we could not say that he didn’t commit a crime, fill in the blank, because we believe he did.”

"Napolitano also said that the evidence that Mueller provided was “remarkably similar” to the evidence used against Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton."

I have a feeling that this is all Mueller is currently allowed to say. But, at least there will now be soundbites for the 90% of the American populace who can't read beyond a 3rd grade level or has the attention span of a goldfish.

I'm not buying it. Yesterday the Guardian prints that obstruction documents were drawn up. A Barr Spokesperson says "The documents don't exist" and nothing more. Not, the whole story is false or the documents never existed and this never happened. Today Muller speaks and says he'll say nothing. Why did he not correct the record this time? And why was it announced in advance that he specifically would not address this story? I heard this repeated on MSNBC several time "they flatly deny". No, they don't flatly deny. They gave a carefully crafted 4 word response.

He can’t use the word ‘guilty’ due to that arcane memo.

So he used the next best thing, which should be the headline: “NOT INNOCENT!”

The plebs can understand NOT INNOCENT.

Mueller finally got to say today what would have been said when his report was released, if we had an honest AG. He stripped his boss Barr bare (horrible image) for all to see.

Correction: Spokesman for Mueller not Barr

Mueller testified that Iraq had WMDs. Why did anyone put any faith in this moron??

e173, Michael Wolffe has made an entire career out of lying. You're surprised? His books are pure fiction.

Michael Wolfe is ugly.

Trump is clearly owned by Putin but without tape of their conversations, we are lost.

False. If MW books are fiction Trump would have sued him. The Guardian states that they saw the supporting documents. Why would a Mueller spokesperson feel the need to respond to pure Fiction? And if he did, why did he not say "Pure Fiction, Michael Wolff is a liar"? Plus - These events happened. The story came out, the spokesperson says 4 words, 18 hours later we have Mueller give a press conference where he says he won't say anything else and he's resigning. Coinkidink? I don't think so.

I wonder if Barr will put out a statement since he's been further exposed as a liar today

[quote]False. If MW books are fiction Trump would have sued him.

Honey, you're an idiot. "Journalists" don't have to reveal sources. Michael Wolff is 100% bogus. Wolff was the one who reported that Trump was having an affair with Nikki Haley. He's tabloid trash.

I believe that Mueller actually DID draw up three indictments. They may no longer exist or were long ago shredded and burned, but they did at one point.

Mueller also called Wolff out as a liar.

Michael Wolff’s ‘Fire and Fury’: Some of the facts just don’t stack up

A fact-checker's guide to Michael Wolff's 'Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House'

Wolff reports hearsay to sell tabloid books.

So, if Trump raped and murdered a baby on the front lawn in front of the White House, he could not be indicted and arrested? They would just have to hold months-long impeachment hearings and then hope that the Senate would convict him? How is he not totally above the law?

Mueller is a stubborn sack of shit who simply refuses to plainly say the truth. Therefore he allows Trump, Sanders and all Tramp's nasty weasels to continue to lie...that is all on Mueller.

Mueller will testify and he will answer questions he is asked. We will get clarity if anything, not the convoluted statement he made.

Lets be clear- he said Pres Bone Spurs committed a crime and the reason he is not indicted is because he is president. This is big news. There is no way to spin this.

For the millionth time- the Dems are systematically doing their job. They are smartly getting out very damaging information on him. They appear, to most, to be reasonable since they didn't just run to impeachment right away. They were waiting for a statement like this from Mueller. Nancy will still use careful language so please don't overreact that she is acting too slow. The Dems will open an impeachment inquiry by the end of summer.

I'm hearing at least 4 GOP House members will now come out and agree with Rep. Amash.

Friends, this is starting to happen. The dam is starting to break.

Thank you, FCI. Too many on here don’t seem to understand how things work in our government. The dam IS starting to break.

Thanks so much for checking in, FCI.

I see few small errors but no fabricated stories. And Haberman as a fact checker, please. My main point is , Why did the Mueller events unfold TODAY? Is anyone discussing this on TV?

R191 Trump's stupid trade war must be making some GOP rebel. I don't buy GOP finding a conscience after all this time. GOP cares about money first and foremost.

Nobody ever said that Amash is doing this for altruistic reasons. But it’s a huge story that seems to be getting drowned out.

Go figure.

The Amash story is not getting drowned out. Quite the opposite actually.

I'm in the process of reading it, r111.

Just on volume one getting to the meat of it. Fucking terrifying. We were attacked and Congress still sits on their hands and does nothing to spell this out to the American people.

Look, we have short attention spans. Hardly anyone is going to read that thing. We need to pull sound bites out and repeat them ad infinitum.

I'm at work right now but I will pull some quotes out and post them here so everyone can see what I mean.

It needs to be a movie so the average person can understand what’s been going on just under their noses.

The media giving clips of Sow Huck spouting lies is a waste of footage. Same with tRudy and the Compromised Queen, who actually holds a Senate job with a measure of influence. Along with McTurtle, they are all yipping "closed closed" and embracing fart blossom Barr. They can't spin it. Fox will shape new lies for them.

Chris Christie was not dismissive at all in what Mueller said. He knows Trump is still covered in do-do.

No, of course none of the GOPers are doing this because they have a conscience. They see the writing on the wall. They are getting pressured from outside forces due to a lot of things (trade being one) but suddenly doing the right thing isn't one.

There is so much going on behind the scenes. So much going on I don't know half of it because my contacts are busy. Nancy and the Dems know what they are doing. Everyone has a role to play if you catch my drift. And they are playing them perfectly. It isn't all sexy and climactic, yet, but it is effective.

Randy Rainbow's latest.

[quote]Justin Amash was looking like a hot daddy

Amash is an arch conservative republican. The only thing he has in common with democrats is that he hates Trump.

The payout in farm subsidies is astronomical due to the trade embargo The national debt is astronomical.

Wonder how large a check Mnuchin has cut to Archer Daniels Midlands?

Great question r204.

Only conservatives would impose stupid tariffs, then spend billions to pay the workers (really the companies) hurt by this. If a Democrat did this, the shrill shrieking from the right (poor things get worked up easily) would be deafening.

Of course, liberals understand economics so we wouldn't do this.

Yes, our deficit and debt is growing under great economic times. ONLY during a conservative administration could this happen.

Everything Pres Bone Spurs touches dies? Try everything conservatives touch dies. They'd fuck up a one car parade.

Interesting discussion on Nicolle Wallace today. They’re saying Trump tends to drop associates when they start getting bad press, and now that Faux News is now admitting Barr's spin on Mueller's report was dishonest, Barr might be in trouble. How long till Trump dumps Barr?

Mueller emphasizes that he didn't clear Trump

Let’s hope r207 is true.

Does Reddit have a good treason subreddit going? You would think they would be all over it with every single detail.

There is nothing in the Constitution that says a president cannot be indicted. Mueller was following the DOJ's "rules".

Trump must be going wild watching TV today, can’t wait to see his morning Twitter outburst.

There are equally learned opinions that a sitting president CAN be indicted. This has never been resolved.

So much cheating and dishonor in plain sight. The odious McConnell saying he'll push through a SC justice pronto after his bullshit obstruction of democracy with the Merrick Garland fiasco.

They may be fooling part of the population but the rest of us know what's going on. They may get away with it for now but we can not let this go on, they must be removed from office. Future generations and the earth depend on this. That they care so little for the youth of this country, looking away while children are mowed down in school or caged at the border, destroying the environment and selling us all down the river while the 1% reap immense profits, they simply are leaving a legacy of evil and corruption that cannot be ignored.

Bolstered by deplorables and Russia, trumpists are all in for destruction of democracy. Sickening.

Trump warns Roy Moore to back off Alabama Senate bid.

This could get juicy. Deplorables will be split down the middle. Which depraved monster will win out?

Pelosi slams Facebook, calls it ‘willing enabler’ of Russian election meddling

NYTimes headline:

Mueller, in First Comments on Russia Inquiry, Declines to Clear Trump

Glad to see FCI posting more regularly. I can see a sort of coordinated roll out of the Democratic plan, down to some members trying out their calls for impeachment slightly ahead of Speaker Pelosi.

Say no if you'd like, but you'd increase your existing lore here if you can name or hint at the Rs who are set to come out against the president.

The media needs to call out McConnell to his face and not let up. Ever. They need to be relentless in going after him. He needs to be the #1 target for whatever deep pocket Dem donor. In fact, Dem donors need to focus on winning back the Senate. We are not safe with McConnell there. When I say "we" I mean anyone who values democracy.

Who will be questioning Mueller? Harris, Durbin, Klobuchar?

I hope they will push him to give answers that are clear and beyond any doubt that Trump committed obstruction of justice and who knows what else.

r218 I will if I learn their names. I am a little nervous posting what I do on here but I think I am being needlessly careful. I was brave and shared a lot of info about Aaron Schock on the thread about him. I didn't name names until others guessed. For example, I confirmed Rick Purtty and Aaron would get very close every now and again.

I have plans to meet up in a few weeks with all my former colleagues in DC and I am supposed to get great scoop. I know they read DL because I told them about the Mueller threads and they love them so I want to make sure whatever I share here is something they are ok with me sharing. Otherwise, they may not share certain things. I do know these threads have gotten high up in Democratic circles, punditry included. Van Jones, from what I have been told, has read at least some of the Mueller threads.

Mueller will be forced to testify if impeachment takes place.

This is strictly up to Nancy at this point. She needs to shit or get off the fucking pot.

It'd be members of the House Judiciary Committee, r220. The chair of the Senate Committee, DL favorite Lindsay Graham, refuses to call Mueller to testify except under anything but bad faith terms to date.

Well, FCI at r221, these threads are a great diary of the times. They are a valuable perspective from many smart posters. I must say that the cultural contributions of DataLounge go mostly unheralded, from the SNL, Bill Maher, and late-night jokes cribbed from posters to the political commentary in these threads and beyond. Nevertheless, we post.

r222 Nancy is doing her job. She is expertly handling this. It may not be something dramatic but she is getting it done. Right on schedule, things are picking up steam. Once the impeachment inquiry is open, she will look like she took a reasoned, well measured approach. She will look responsible and, in return, will have more credibility.

I'm not calling you a troll, 222, but I do think some trolls want the Dems to act in a way they look irresponsible and reckless.

Exactly. You can’t get dragged down in the mud with these people. When the dam is cracking, you don’t jump out in front of it.

r223 Most of the DC insiders were very skeptical that a gay gossip page would yield such a great, on-going thread like the Mueller threads. They've been very impressed with the level of intelligence and sophistication displayed here. If this weren't anonymous, some of you would be contacted for some good consulting jobs. I can't express how impressed they are. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them started posting here. If you have, and you have figured out who I am ( I worked with RZ) then contact me.

They've also seen how the trolls have operated and the talking points they use.

There are posters here who are brilliant at putting together cogent arguments and condensing huge amounts of information into something the average busy person can understand without losing any essential information.

What are the chances that Barr is being blackmailed by the Russians? I only ask because I can't believe he threw away his reputation for Donald Trump, of all people.

I like the way Nancy Pelosi is handling this. Let Trump and his sycophants sweat it out wondering whether the Democrats will impeach. It keeps them off balance. Let the Democrats just hold hearings so that the public can hear how corrupt this administration is, so that when the Democrats call for impeachment, they will understand why and be 100% behind this action. And Trump is fighting for his life. He only wants to be re-elected so that the statute of limitations runs out on the investigations being done by the SDNY and he can't be charged. He knows that if he loses, he will in handcuffs the moment he walks out of the WhiteHouse.

One question Mueller should be asked and should answer is this- if Pres Bone Spurs was not the President, would you have indicted him? Easy yes or no. If yes, that is all we need to know.

Barr is traveling in Alaska.

Allegedly, Trump is furious.

"Steve, tell Barr to get his fat ass back here now and fix this!"

[quote]The dam IS starting to break.

Yeeeeah, okay. And Trump won't run for president, he won't get the nomination, he won't get elected, he won't last a year...

Wake the fuck up. Trump ain't going anywhere for another 5 years. This country is moronic.

What reputation, R227? Barr was already known as a fixer from way back, for Reagan and Bush Sr, among others.

Did Barr secretly fly from Alaska onto Russian soil & meet with Vlad's agents?

[quote]Seriously, haul his ass in and make him talk.

Relentless tickling.

FCI, I remember some talk from a while back that should articles of impeachment reach the Senate, there were a fair number of Republicans who would vote to convict. I think it was short of the needed supermajority, but the estimate surprised me. I can't remember if that was one of your tidbits.

Does prevailing wisdom still say that's the case? Has the number grown? Shrunk?

R235 That's the problem, though. McConnell has already said he'd quash any impeachment proceedings that the House sent to the Senate. Sure, people would be up in arms, but is there really anything that we can do to get him to move? Serious question. He's a douchebag and I want him to lose reelection in 2020, but still...UGH!

[quote]What reputation, [R227]? Barr was already known as a fixer from way back, for Reagan and Bush Sr, among others.

If Barr had such a poor reputation, and was known as a fixer... can anyone explain why freshman Senator Kyrsten Sinema (D-AZ) voted to confirm him??

She was one of three Democrats who voted “yes” on Barr.

Is she just a moron, or was she blackmailed??

The two are not mutually exclusive r237.

[quote]McConnell has already said he'd quash any impeachment proceedings that the House sent to the Senate. Sure, people would be up in arms, but is there really anything that we can do to get him to move?

Voters in Kentucky need to get rid of McConnell.

There's a prominent newscaster that views these threads. I won't name her, but am confident there are others. DL is not obscure with politicians either. None will admit, though, visiting a gay site. Word gets around.

[quote]McConnell has already said he'd quash any impeachment proceedings that the House sent to the Senate.

But he CAN'T quash them. This isn't some spending bill, impeachment proceeding are a Constitutional mandate.

[quote]There's a prominent newscaster that views these threads. I won't name her, but am confident there are others. DL is not obscure with politicians either. None will admit, though, visiting a gay site. Word gets around.

Rachel, if you're reading this, will do you the Carol Burnett ear tug tonight?

Turtle will feel heat. Give it time.

[quote]There's a prominent newscaster that views these threads. I won't name her,

We know Anderson comes here.

R241 But he CAN make a mockery of it. From the linked article:

> Though Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell would be required to put the articles of impeachment to a vote should the House approve them, removing the president would require a two-thirds majority vote. Top Senate Republicans told The Hill that the party would work the rules to ensure the “briefest of trials.”

[quote]But he CAN'T quash them. This isn't some spending bill, impeachment proceeding are a Constitutional mandate.

That’s why Impeachment needs to happen TODAY. Force McConnell and the other Republicans to be on record as violating the Constitution.

What is Nancy waiting for?? She’s looking like more of an idiot daily. Democrats have NOTHING to lose at this point by going for Impeachment.

[quote]That’s why Impeachment needs to happen TODAY. Force McConnell and the other Republicans to be on record as violating the Constitution.

Which they will do TOMORROW.

Amash continues today:

Justin Amash @justinamash · 6h The ball is in our court, Congress.

Republicans impeached Bill Clinton back in 1998.

He wasn’t removed from office. BUT, he was weakened and kept off the campaign trail during Al Gore’s run in 2000.

End result for Republicans?: Eight years of George W Bush. Definitely a win for Republicans.

Democrats need to do the same.

Counterpoint: Clinton was VERY popular when he left office, in large part due to the impeachment debacle, and a lot of people thought Gore keeping him offstage was a mistake.

Amash wouldn’t be coming out so hard if he didn’t see the writing on the wall.

Deploraville is not happy with the admin. His goons have resorted to local campaigns of “stop complaining” to keep a lid on the faltering. They are shaming local farmers who are staring to get organized against the admin.

Someone on the ground in deploraville would notice it, and just as Amash has, seized the moment.

r235 That was not my info. I don't get a lot of info on the Senate side, well not as much as I do the House side. There are a lot of Senators who SAY they wish he were gone, they think he is dangerous to our country and if what they know could be exposed to the country (classified stuff about ongoing investigations) they would vote to convict him. That number is well over 70. But Senators are all talk with no balls.

r246 You need to read the reasons she is doing what she is doing that has been spelled out in this thread many times.

Sinema fell for what many people fell for which was Barr was old school Republican and would do the right thing. She figured that would be a safe vote to show she is bipartisan.

Amash needs to get his fellow GOPers on board before he tries to say Nancy needs to start an impeachment inquiry. That includes working on his friends in the Senate.

With all the drip drip drip of news damaging to him, people like Amash jumping ship, Mueller coming out today, Pres Bone Spurs likely further meltdowns which will show with greater urgency he is unfit and dangerous, Nancy's plan is working.

Lindsey is desperately posting.

Actually, I am sick of the media using the Clinton impeachment to make the case it will help Dems. Gore WON. It was Jeb fuckery in FL that GAVE the election to W. But we all know Gore won, just like Hillary won. They "lost" due to cheating.

The only difference is this is far, far worse than anything Clinton ever thought about doing.

Let Miss Lindzey calm her nerves.

r110: "I do think Mueller's statement was subtle...."

The day, the moment, called for the clarity of a bell and the force of a sledgehammer. Mueller's "subtlety;" his unusual syntax; his "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" approach to his statement this morning---has engendered "analyses" and "interpretations" and "between-lines readings, amounting to his FAILING AMERICA.

This man, above all but the perps, knows this country in its most elemental aspect of our democracy---our Presidential election---was BETRAYED by greedy and perhaps frightened men in a CONSPIRACY TO OBTAIN OUR FEDERAL EXECUTIVE OFFICE, via Social Media lies and propaganda and via vote-changing. The OTHER conspirators are RUSSIANS.

How, IOW, did Mueller decide to adhere so strictly to "DoJ policy" when he encountered a Cyber-Attack by a foreign nation, arguably before then an adversary, and certainly one after the attack, working to elect the compliant and complicit Republican Trump, and obstructionism by Trump in trying to unravel this Act of War?

[quote]Sinema fell for what many people fell for which was Barr was old school Republican and would do the right thing. She figured that would be a safe vote to show she is bipartisan.

She’s the only one who fell for it.

DINOs Manchin and Jones were always going to vote “yes”.

She’s shady and not to be trusted.

r257, No, even Chuck Rosenberg, and many, many other people of great integrity, sang Barr's praises and were comfortable with him taking over AG. Sinema, being in a red state, looks for easy votes to show she is bipartisan. Doug Jones is a great guy yet he, too, voted for Barr due to the same reasons. These red states Dems look for easy votes like this. It is what it is.

Calling Manchin and Jones DINOs is what will destroy the Dems. You have to understand where they are coming from. They are 99% better than ANY GOPer who would replace them. I don't like Manchin but I do like Jones. He is a good man. Manchin is not but he is better than anything we would get from WV. He voted to save Obamacare. That is not insignificant.

What about Burr? He still gonna drag Jr on the floor?

[quote]These red states Dems look for easy votes like this. It is what it is.

These are the same types who will go along with Trump and vote for a war with Iran because it’s “easy” and will show they’re bipartisan.

They are not to be trusted.

I think some of us are just unsure of things because of what happened in 2016. Everyone thought Hillary was going to win. Instead a combo of Russian interference, American dumbassness and American laziness (the non-voters) led to Trump winning.

So I know that Pelosi is an expert and very intelligent/calculated. I'm just not sure that things will go our way because we've been burnt before.

so it's just frustration that repubs refuse to play by the rules while Democrats continue to do so and yet repubs keep winning. So it would be great if the House impeaches Trump and Democrats take back the WH, Senate and maintain the House in 2020 but there's no guarantee of any of that, hence our uneasiness

I believe we all have to face the fact that Trump will stay POTUS until he served Putin's agenda. We are being pacified by political theatrics that convince us that we don't have to take action ourselves since there is someone like Mueller or Nancy Pelosi around to clean up this mess and deliver us justice like the pizza delivery guy delivers pizza. Oh sure, we have the power with our vote. Wo-hoo! ... Oh, Trump got re-elected? Bummer. Oh well, Nancy will sort it all out surely. Just let us sit back and get all angry and frustrated about The Trump Reality Shit-show from the comfort of our couches.

[quote]These are the same types who will go along with Trump and vote for a war with Iran because it’s “easy” and will show they’re bipartisan.

[quote]They are not to be trusted.

r260 Hillary voted for war in Iraq, remember? One of the many blunders in her political career.

[quote]Everyone thought Hillary was going to win. Instead a combo of Russian interference, American dumbassness and American laziness (the non-voters) led to Trump winning.

People on the ground, living in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan knew that she was not going to win. There was no enthusiasm here for her campaign, there was a lot of mistrust, and her message was not connecting with people.

Meanwhile, enthusiasm for Trump was surging. He was always visiting, speaking plainly to voters’ issues, and signs for his campaign were everywhere.

Yet, Democrats in these states who spoke up about their concerns were told to be sit down and be quiet. The Democratic Party, and the Candidate herself, ignored these States and paid a steep price on Election night.

Yes, there was most likely Russian interference...but Democrats really did nothing to help themselves.

I agree with you, r258. Jones might keep his seat if the president keeps injecting himself into the AL race. Manchin better stay in the Senate. His vote is there when it's needed, and he wins in state where Trump won 68% of the vote.

I disagree with you, r260. The second Bush administration spoiled the patriotic, bipartisan vote when it comes to war. Obama knew this, and that's why he asked for The Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against the Government of Syria to Respond to Use of Chemical Weapons and knew the hawkish Republicans wouldn't vote for the intervention they themselves wanted. It never got a floor vote, and neither would a AUMF for the Trump admin's Iran lust.

[quote]Hillary voted for war in Iraq, remember? One of the many blunders in her political career.

As did Biden, the current blundering “frontrunner”.

Remember "freedom fries"? Trump's DOE has now invented "freedom gas".

r266 When you vote for war, you get war. We learned that lesson in 1964 with the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. Unfortunately, Hillary doesn't learn from history, as her failure to understand the Electoral College also proves.

Oh no, here comes the purity police. You must have a perfect voting record or I'm going to take my toys and go home. Or the division trolls are here. Either way, in a big tent party, you will never be completely satisfied with your candidate. Ever. Grow up and get use to it. Play the long game like the GOP does. In the end, it is about JUDGES. If you haven't learned that by now, you're a moron.

I am also sick of Monday morning quarterbacks going on about 2016. No one could control the fact all these voters loved being lied to, the media was hellbent on making this election close by constantly telling us "but her emails" and "she isn't popular" which was a damn lie. There were a lot of very enthusiastic HRC supporters. We couldn't control the Comey fuckery. We couldn't control the Russian interference and coordination with the campaign for the GOP. Still, in spite of ALL of that, she lost by 77,000 spread over 3 states and won the national popular vote by almost 4 million. Could she have done more? Probably but who knows.

Meanwhile, fuck off division trolls. Drown in your cheap vodka from your hellhole Russia, home of degenerates and sleazebags.

Can we get something straight here? These two things keep getting conflated and it's driving me nuts.

There's an [bold]impeachment inquiry[/bold]; and

There's [bold]articles of impeachment[/bold].

NOT THE SAME THING.

NOBODY is suggesting we skip straight to sending articles of impeachment to McConnell. We need to start an inquiry, which would speed up discovery. We need months of live televised hearings to instruct the American public what exactly happened.

r271 Nancy knows this and it is coming. Count on it despite what she says. There is a reason she drives orange stank ass crazy. There is a reason she has no nickname. She terrifies him. She terrifies the GOP operatives. Why? They know she is effective. Watch and learn.

[quote]In the end, it is about JUDGES. If you haven't learned that by now, you're a moron.

Some of them haven't and they never will.

FCI when you meet with your colleagues can you please pass along the idea that Democrats need to stop speaking with nuance? It's sad but true that many Americans either don't understand nuance or don't like it. That's a big part of why repubs message better. They cut out "tricky" words and keep a clear message even if it's a blatantly dishonest one. Obviously we don't want Democrats lying but to combat repus and Trump in the headlines and chyrons wars, they must use simpler, clearer language.

[quote]In the end, it is about JUDGES. If you haven't learned that by now, you're a moron.

Yes it is about judges. And a few “red-state Dem” Senators, and a concerned Republican one from Maine, can’t be trusted to vote for the right ones.

Your mouth God's ear, R272. I for one certainly hope Nancy's playing the long game here.

R274: personally I think THE PRESIDENT IS A FUCKING CROOK is simple yet effective.

and for those wondering, the afternoon and early evening spin today on Fox following Mueller's statement seems to be "this is all so murky but nothing can be definitively proven so we must stop and let it go!"

and Brett Baier continues to act like conspiracy and collusion are the same thing...

tonight will be a hot ass mess I'm sure. I can't wait to watch Rachel and Lawrence

Remember we have 2 days left of May....that means the Flynn transcript and possibly audio should be dropping SOON

It will be a big deal when Pelosi comes out for impeachment. Remember, she took impeachment off the table when she first became Speaker in 2006. The totality of her record on the issue will help show that Trump's misconduct must be particularly egregious and deserving of impeachment and removal.

I bet the Fox News crowd is not impressed by Mueller's timid response. No meme worthy buzzword to find anywhere. That's why Pelosi's cover-up was so great. That took them all by surprise.

yeah on Fox they're having a hard time with Mueller contradicting Barr's statements. I wonder if the primetime hosts will try to attack Mueller tonight.

lmao Cindy Yang is the unexpected problem that will not go away now for Trump!

subpoenas to his precious Mar-a-lago and campaign !

link preview not working for me for some reason so here it is if it's not working for you too

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article230946518.html

[quote] Everyone thought Hillary was going to win.

At least everyone who 𝒎𝒂𝒕𝒕𝒆𝒓𝒆𝒅, like Tom Hanks. Who cared what the common people outside DC, Hollywood and Manhattan thought.

Nancy Pelosi is very clever. Multiple House committees are investigating the Trump administration. The Supreme Court should rule that the Trump administration must honor House subpoenas. The precedent for Congressional oversight goes back to the beginning of the country. Multiple committee hearings with subpoena power will drive Trump, McConnell, and Miss Lindsey completely nuts.

The voting public doesn’t care about the multiple House Committee investigations that don’t show anything conclusive that can’t be spinned.

The public wants to hear “Impeachment”, or else they assume he’s innocent.

The Democrats don't need to formally impeach. All they need to do is hold televised hearings so that the public can see for themselves how corrupt Trump is. Turn it into a "reality" show. That's the only way people will understand and the Democrats look like they took the high road.

The Democrats don’t need to take the “high road”. They need to start getting dirty and nasty like the pig Republicans who keep getting their way.

The Dems need to raise holy hell. Shame the likes of McConnell and show the US public that they can play the game better than Trump and the GOP.

Rashida Tlaib had it correct when she vowed to “impeach the motherfucker”.

Nancy needs to start using the same rhetoric.

[quote]Alex Mallin Retweeted Alex Mallin

[quote]Notable that this joint statement includes the special counsel spokesperson Peter Carr, suggesting Mueller also wanted to make clear he saw no conflict with what he said today and what Barr said previously.

[quote]Pelosi: Many want to impeach Trump, but we need to make a "compelling" case

[quote][bold]Pelosi said that "nothing is off the table"[/bold] but stressed the need for an "ironclad" case to convince Republican lawmakers.

[quote]"But we do want to make such a compelling case, such an ironclad case that even the Republican Senate would — at the time seems to be not an objective jury —will be convinced of the path that we have to take as a country," she said.

[quote]"But we do want to make such a compelling case, such an ironclad case that even the Republican Senate would — at the time seems to be not an objective jury —will be convinced of the path that we have to take as a country," she said.

This will never never happen. She can't be dumb enough to think they'd ever turn their backs on him. They've shown multiple times they simply do not care what he does.

[quote]The Democrats don’t need to take the “high road”. They need to start getting dirty and nasty like the pig Republicans who keep getting their way.

Seriously, we can go back to taking the high road after we're back in power. These are unusual circumstances and they call for unusual tactics.

R291, the way I understood Pelosi's statement is the she is clearly putting this one on the Senate Repus and that sounds like a smart rhetoric. She is also saying that the Senate Repubs need to allow for thorough investigations.

Nancy is playing it perfectly. Keep saying we need to make a compelling case. To the general public, that plays well. The rest of the Dems can ratchet up the impeachment talk. All have their roles to play. Nancy is saying what she needs to say. Read between the lines.

I do think division trolls are trying to push the Dems to act rash and do something stupid.

[quote]Rachel, if you're reading this, will do you the Carol Burnett ear tug tonight?

Let us know if anyone sees an ear tug in the next night or two!

Concerning Amash and the reception and reaction he got at his town hall, I think we'll see a couple more Repug reps coming out in the next few days to weeks calling for the same thing. They will want in on that publicity he's been getting, although that doesn't seem to be why he did it at all, but they've also now seen an overwhelmingly positive reaction from his conservative base. I think they've all been reading the crowd wrong this entire time. Repugs are nothing if not sheep-like in their ability to go along with whomever seems like the alpha. Their religion has trained them to be that way. Trump's base will turn against him as soon as the other Repugs stand up to him.

Trump's the leader of the bullies right now. You know that scene in many a movie where the big bully gets knocked on his ass by some pipsqueak and the bully suddenly loses his "gang" because he's been shown to be weak. Amash is the pipsqueak that's giving the "gang" of Repugs the impetus to turn. I really do think there will be a slow trickle of Repugs from this point out coming over to his side in the House.

Once a few Repugs start coming over, it will release a floodgate and Impeachment will happen.

R274, here’s a plain summary for you:

1. Mueller was told Trump could shoot Melania in the middle of Fifth Avenue and he could not do one thing about it. Absolutely nothing.

2. Trump is now officially a king. No laws apply to him. He is above all law and can rule with absolute impunity.

3. The American people have a really big problem with #1 and #2.

Congress needs to get off their fucking asses and do something before they’re all thrown in jail by King Trump. He now knows he can do anything. And I mean anything.

Mueller’s voice was quivering today like he was about to cry. What was his deal?

Joe Biden is the absolute, 100%, wrong candidate to be going up against Trump. He’s basically an apologist.

Also FCI, please tell your colleagues that the Democrats need to start clarifying the difference between conspiracy and collusion. The right wingers are continuing to use the 2 interchangeably. They're misleading again by saying "the Mueller report says no collusion" which we know is WRONG. It said it could not establish CONSPIRACY and that they did not investigate collusion, which isn't a crime. The only reason why conspiracy wasn't established is because no formal agreement between the Trump campaign and the Russians could be established. Some of that of course was likely due to obstructive acts like hiding/destroying evidence, lying to authorities and that some witnesses are in Russia and could not be interviewed. Democrats need to make this clear.

There WAS collusion just not conspiracy. Too many keep mixing them up.

lmfao Tucker Carlson is now questioning if "Mueller's claim that Russia interfered in our democracy is true". Wow. and more than 1/3 of the country will believe that stupid fuckhead. I really can't. Something needs to be done. Fox should not be allowed to be called a news network with shows like that.

Interesting development in the Roger Stone case today...

As CNN reported, a former Mueller prosecutor, Aaron Zelinsky, revealed in court Wednesday that a witness tied to Roger Stone has finally agreed to testify before the grand jury.

Stone is currently awaiting trial for the charges Mueller brought against him, which include lying to Congress, obstructing justice and intimidating a witness in the course of the Russia investigation. But there have been hints that there may be other charges looming over Stone, the most prominent hint being Mueller’s effort to get his associate, Andrew Miller, to testify before the grand jury.

Miller had long refused to testify, and he was held in contempt by Judge Beryl Howell for his refusal, but he has been appealing the decision. Now, it was revealed in court, Miller has agreed to testify on Friday. This suggests, though it is far from certain, that new charges might be coming against Stone. Zelinsky spoke privately with the judge on Wednesday to explain why Miller’s testimony was still needed.

The Miller testimony was one of the outstanding threads in Mueller’s investigation that was still pending when reports first suggested that the Russia probe was wrapping up. Mueller seemed to intensely value the testimony, going to aggressive lengths to get force Miller to testify. It’s possible that the special counsel has had some role in the ongoing efforts to get Miller to testify, and once that he had finally agreed to appear before the grand jury, Mueller concluded it was time to step down.

r297, He was ashamed that his strict adherence to not-legally-binding DoJ "policy" made a coward out of him. Mueller, better than the rest of us, knows there was treason, but decided to be like the buffoon Falstaff: "Discretion is the better part of valor."

Go get those underlings, G-Man Mueller (of r301)! You can safely indict THEM!

Oops, you resigned!

Is Biden the only major Dem candidate now who is not openly calling for impeachment proceedings to begin? Booker and Gilibrand changed their stances in favor of it now.

For all you Pelosi haters...REMEMBER...when we impeach Trump, Pence will assuredly go down too...then we will have President Nancy Pelosi.

Biden said impeachment may be unavoidable, R304.

Nancy is looking at the big picture, not instant gratification.

She's feeling a little better and sitting out in the garden.

If Bill Maher cannot get the Dems to do as the GOP does and form think tanks and follow strict talking points, nothing I say is going to change that. I have long argued the Dems have to step up the propaganda game, talking points and the way they explain things. Few have gotten it like Clinton and Obama but too many don't. Beto had it when he ran for Senate but just stumbled once he ran for President.

There has got to be a wealthy, liberal DLer who can wrangle up some of you to form an organization to help the Dems with messaging.

r307 gets it

I believe the indictments existed too. And found their way to the shredder. Mueller said "even a sealed indictment would be against DoJ Policy." or something like that...which he wouldn't have needed to say except he was trying to address the ruor. So what I've pieced together, my conjecture, really, is that there were attorneys on his staff, good men, who really felt like Trump is a criminal, and an evil beast and drew up draft indictments for him, then there was a discussion about it, and Mueller had the final say, and upheld DoJ policy. In fact, it may be that the very nature of the attacks against Mueller and his investigation did influence them to not appear political. Maybe he assured Rosenstein when he took the job, that he would not indict the President. But whatever the case, I feel ike it was definitely discussed and that someone on Muelelr's staff drew up charges in draft form. That's my hypothesis.

[quote]Dems have to step up the propaganda game, talking points and the way they explain things. Few have gotten it like Clinton and Obama but too many don't.

Clinton’s 1992 campaign was based on “healthcare reform, balancing the budget, and a targeted middle-class tax cut.”

That’s it. Simple ideas that everybody agreed with and cared about. And he repeated it everywhere. Simple messaging and repetition is so important.

R285, I agree that televised hearings would do well to help the cause. But these idiots are ignoring subpoenas. Why would they suddenly cooperate?

And with Barr and many before him, they simply deflect and don't speak truthfully anyways.

Bill Maher?! He's a Libertarian PoS.

Nadler and his committee and a few others in the House, are too timid. They give the administration a deadline, or a specific request, and then they give them another deadline and another request. With Barr, they insisted on getting the unredacted report along with supporting documentation by a specific date. Barr ignored them and said, "No, here's what I will do instead...in a few days/weeks/ months..."

They tell Mnuchin to turn over the President's tax returns by a specific date. Mnuchin stalls...and stalls... they give him a new deadline... he stalls again, then admits he will not turn them over because he decides they have no legitimate reason to see them... and finally they go to court. They ask people to testify and they refuse. McGahn, Hope Hicks, etc. I expected Trump to refuse, to stall, to dig in and resist. I was hoping the Dems would do likewise.

This is bullshit. The House needs to be seen to be fighting. They need to appear strong. Do not set a deadline if you don't plan on enforcing it. Do not accept less than what you ask for. We need to see t hem being aggressive. Issue subpoenas and contempt charges. Start issuing fines to go with the contempt charges. Take those fuckers to court immediately, not after twenty attempts. Stop playing Defense. Go on the offensive.

They need to lock that motherfucker Barr up in the congressional jail.

Agreed.

I resent Robert Mueller with every part of my being.

President Obama and Hillary are two very fine people, yet they are slandered by idiots every single day...is there nothing that can be done to stop the injustice.

What was that FBI hack a few weeks ago about?

Did they get some substantial dirt on some FBI members or practices that the GOP can blackmail Mueller with?

Also what I don't understand is why the GOP doesn't push for Trump being primaried. I am sure lots hate him and would be fine with a more reasonable candidate. They all hated him from the start. Does Russia have dirt on all of them, just like I am sure they have on the senatrice.

What was the reason Rosenstein caved in?

I saw this trending on twitter. Did the White House cover up the Naval Ship named after John McCain so this fucking baby didn't have to see it during his trip to Japan? This is beyond fucked up

No, it was pretty much everyone, including Trump, r282, although in fairness, he is Hollywood, Manhattan, and DC.

Yeah, more and more, I like Nancy's strategy. Draw it out, let people get angry, start the process slowly, let Trump unravel gradually, and when the moment is right, strike. He is ridiculously thin-skinned and he will periodically have insane meltdowns on national TV as it slowly dawns on his addled and adderalled braid that this ain't going away. It will help.

[quote]What was that FBI hack a few weeks ago about?

Link to story.

oops, brain, not braid. Though a braid could only help whatever the fuck is going on up there.

r321

The bitch is so easy to punk. I really hope you Brits are clever when he gets there. Sorry he has to pollute your country for awhile, but damn, we get him most days of the year.

Josh Lederman @JoshNBCNews . @GovChristie on @ABC just now says Mueller’s statement “definitely contradicts what the attorney general said when he summarized Mueller’s report"

[quote] The bitch is so easy to punk.

Agreed.

The former White House adviser Steve Bannon has described the Trump Organization as a criminal entity and predicted that investigations into the president’s finances will lead to his political downfall, when he is revealed to be “not the billionaire he said he was, just another scumbag”.

Just another point about nuance since I'm 1 of those posters who keep talking about it. Unfortunately I know some people who I described earlier (either stupid or just have no patience for nuance and prefer seeing things as black or white only).

Those types of people think that lots of big words, carefully worded and long-winded language means the speaker is attempting to hide something, deceive them and also make them inferior. They think it's pretentious and phony. Part of Trump's illusion in 2015/2016 (and which has now been adopted by Fox & the GOP) is that he is so fucking simple and basic it gave the APPEARANCE of honesty. He gives clear messages with few words. They thought "how can someone like that be lying?" Now of course as it turns out, he, Fox and the repubs are fucking lying but it's the head games and appearance of honesty that count. So I think the Democrats would be smart to dumb down their language. Obviously liberals don't care how they speak but it's the flippable people who matter.

Know your audience. Liberals are way smarter than Deplorables. I don't think Liberals would appreciate it to be talked down to like Deplorables who don't get that they are being talked to like idiots who are stupid as fuck.

R332 it's the people in the middle who matter. Liberals will stick with Democrats and deplorables with repubs. Clear and concise messaging works. It's easier to remember.

Minorities also don’t want to be talked down to like idiots.

it doesn't have to be baby talk but less nuance. Again that's why Pelosi's "cover up" messaging last week was so effective. That was the key term and people kept talking about it for the next couple days

I believe this "middle" group, like undecided voters, are a myth. You honestly think there are still people who have not yet made up their minds whether Trump is a criminal crook or he's the innocent victim of a witch hunt?

I don't know, r336, but there are definitely people who haven't made up their mind about impeachment. They really do need to be led gently to it. Big sudden moves will just look partisan and angry to a number of people still.

I said earlier there were 4 GOPers who were ready to follow Amash and say impeachment hearings might be in order. Well, I can give you a name for one and a state of another. From what I was told, Rep. Hurd from TX and someone from KS (I find that hard to believe) are 2 who my contacts have heard about. A third was rumored to be from PA.

I've been watching MSNBC this evening and I swear I've heard language we've used today on DL by several guests. Hmmmmm probably nothing but it does make me wonder.

Will Hurd makes sense as he's 1 of the more reasonable repubs though I now will forever side eye him for signing the petition that Schiff should resign as House Intelligence Committee chair

honestly, I don't much care who is double plus secret for impeachment. Say it or GTFO, Repubs. Eventually we will need you to say it, and some of you will. Until then, you don't matter. We got this.

The PA guy has to be Brian Fitzpatrick, who represents Bucks County. He had a tough reelection fight in a district Hillary won.

R336 you're too much in the MSNBC bubble. Most Americans do not watch as much real news as we do. Most of them are headlines/chyrons followers. That's why what Barr did was so fucking horrible. He completely misled the public about the Mueller report before the redacted version was released.

There are a lot of Americans today who have no clue that Mueller wrote up instances of Trump obstructing justice.

Thousands of identities, personal information published in FBI-related hack

The materials include names, jobs and email addresses of more than 23,000 people, more than 1,000 of them attached to FBI and other law enforcement domains.

and even on CNN & MSNBC there are plenty of hosts and reporters/journalists who still interchangeably use "collusion" and "conspiracy". Someone needs to tell them to stop doing that as they aren't the same. Conspiracy requires an established agreement. Mueller was not able to find that but he did find over 200 instances of communication between the Russians and the Trump campaign as well as numerous actions each side took that benefited the other. That is collusion. The right wingers are now clinging to "no collusion" when that is not accurate. There needs to be more precision in the mainstream media and more clarity from Democrats. They need to repeatedly go over the difference between the 2 terms

and everyone, everyone everywhere needs to stop confusing "no evidence" with "no proof"

[quote] Most Americans do not watch as much real news as we do. Most of them are headlines/chyrons followers.

Exactly. And most of these people are not going to care or pay attention until they hear that Trump has been impeached.

Nancy needs to get on with it.

Nobody gives a fuck how many House Special Committees are investigating.

so, what? Skip hearings altogether and just jump straight to impeachment? Not sure that would do anything good.

The American people have to hold Congressional Republicans ACCOUNTABLE!

That is why televised investigations are necessary.

Will Hurd makes sense. I think a lot of his constituents own property along the border, and they are angry about eminent domain.

What the Dems are really hoping/waiting for is another provable incident of clearly illegal behavior that can be pinned on Trump (e.g. money laundering with documented evidence). They fear that even the multiple obstruction incidents in the Mueller report are just not enough for a lot of people for a host of reasons (including the perception that obstruction without an underlying crime of conspiracy is "not fair", and the fear that Barr was successful in taking the wind out of the sails of the Mueller report to the extent that enough people believe that any further look at the findings are overkill/overreach). The goal of the investigations by the House committees is to come up with at least one additional, documented, provable example of Trump breaking the law.

The goal is just to have the damn hearings, r350. Just bring it all out in a digestible format that works for the average lummox in this country. That is the goal, and that is why Nancy is moving forward slowly, deliberately toward those hearings.

I like Nancy and all... but she’s 79 years old.

I’m sorry, but she is just too fucking old to be in a position with as much power as she has.

I work with some doctors who are her age who refuse to retire, and they are flat-out dangerous.

And God knows she shouldn’t be allowed to drive.

She sure is driving our president crazy.

I'm sick of the bullshit about if the Dems don't impeach and Trump is allowed to get away with this, it will set a bad precedent and future presidents would be unrestrained where it comes to breaking the law. They mean future REPUBLICAN presidents would be unrestrained -- we all know a Republican-controlled Congress would never hesitate a second to impeach a Democratic president.

damn, r354 beat me to it.

Dems are afraid of their own shadows. They are fixated on his deplorable base, which is media mirage at best. You take out Trump and that base would fall apart. Dems need to serve their own base for once, instead of being afraid of the other side.

Can someone wake me when the guillotines start rolling?

Because that needs to happen last week.

Everything else is pointless.

It can't just happen. It actually takes an effort. And some skill.

[quote]I said earlier there were 4 GOPers who were ready to follow Amash and say impeachment hearings might be in order...

Don't get your hopes up. If it's one thing I've learned from the past two years is to not believe a fucking thing that any Republican says. We've been kicked in the balls far too many times to start thinking this way.

But I'm sure the Floyd Flakes and Susan Collins' of "concerned" Republicans beg to differ.

I'll tell you what pisses me off. All the focus on Pelosi and the Democratic House. They're ready. They will do their job. But McConnell and Graham have the Senate locked down. They have Barr running game at the DoJ. So I'm sick and tired of the media manipulation and the attempts at building a groundswell of anger towards Pelosi and the House.

We are being set up for the Democrats to lose the House in 2020. That is the fucking plan. And they are going after our strengths. Wise the fuck up. If they can erode support for Pelosi and make the House look weak and inept they win. We have to push back.

WTF aren't the media going after McConnell. He is a disgraceful piece of shit. Who in the Senate, on either side, will stand up and call him out in public, on a sustained basis. That is what our strategy needs to be. He is even blocking legislation and funding for ballot security. Right now. Lets start contacting Media, get in their faces and start talking about McConnell, on social media. Tweet them until it trends.

[quote]Nobody gives a fuck how many House Special Committees are investigating.

I'll type slowly so you and those like you can understand...you don't impeach before you investigate. Do you also want to get rid of detectives and just let prosecutors charge people without the evidence being gathered? The investigation is what is happening right now. The Repugs are OBSTRUCTING THE INVESTIGATION. The Democrats are following procedure and are now to the point of going to court to enforce their subpeonas. It is called following the law.

Here's what all of you screaming "Impeach now!" will get if you get your wish.

1. House votes to impeach. There role is now over. They have gathered no evidence and no proof and no testimony.

2. The Senate has a bullshit trial that McConnell and Graham do everything in their power (and a few things they just fucking made up) to hinder all investigation and all gathering of evidence, proof, and testimony.

3. The very quick, short, incomplete, partisan bullshit trial ends with 52 Senators voting guilty. Not enough. Trump wins.

4. Since it all went so fast, it is now only February 2020 and Trump and the Repugs now have eight months to spin his "victory" over the "witchhunt" with the media's help.

5. Trump wins in November because the newest season of The Bachelor was awesome and no one remembered anything that happened, like, all the way in February.

The fucking end. Just stop with your whining, immature, nownownow bullshit.

Marry me, R362!

Preach, r362, the children have got to calm their asses down

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r361 and r362 get it. Thank you!

Everyone else needs to calm your tits and stop the trollish division.

The Dems are not the problem and don't let anyone tell you, again, they are. Fool me once.......

but the question is would Democrats impeach in 2020? They might say it's too close to the election, only a few more months...

R367, go back and read R361 and R362. The Democrats are doing their job. Re focus on the Senate.

There are 20 democrats running at the moment. I need to see them spread out in the southeast and rust belt. They need to take their case to the people.

I don’t want to see campaigns on Vermont or California. There needs to be headlines every day of democrats making gains in these hard hit areas. They have some momentum, and should capitalize on it and keep it going.

R368 there is concern that they wouldn't dare to impeach in 2020. Most of us aren't advocating for a speedy impeachment tomorrow. I'm all for the drip drip drag it out as long as they actually impeach. I don't want them to be just talking about stuff and then suddenly oops it's May 2020 let's just wait for the election.

R369, that's one thing I think will be good about the large Democratic field. Even where they disagree, it's on the details, not the position. With all of these Democrats campaigning all over the country for the next 6-8 months at least (before the field gets really pared down), going on all the talk shows over and over, the Democratic ideals and ideas will be getting out there almost constantly.

Nixon won his second election and we all know how that ended.

Stop wring your wrist and get involved in elections. There are a lot of local elections that take place in the off years that are also important. This could be a good year for Dems and progressives at the local levels.

This is outrageous.

This man is destroying our country...he needs to be dead.

McConnell wants his Russian backers to hack the election - again. At least the Fucker is not hiding his fuckery.

Democrats don't do enough to put the spotlight on McConnell. They never have. The repubs never had any qualms about trashing and demonizing Pelosi. Not sure why Dems don't do the same to him since he deserves it

He relishes being hated anyway

It seems to me that McConnelll should be arrested for crimes against our government. WHAT IS GOING ON? It seems as if no one can save us against deplorables.

[quote]There are a lot of Americans today who have no clue that Mueller wrote up instances of Trump obstructing justice.

How many Americans don't know what the Mueller report is or even that it exists.

Sadly, I'm not kidding.

r378, henmce the PUBLIC TELEVISED hearings. Trump will die in the ratings.

You want to put the fear of god int the godless Trump?

The House Dems need to hire Mark Burnett to PRODUCE the Trump hearings.

Thank you r362.

Why haven’t the media started in on MCConnell the obstructionist wang? People piss and moan and get outraged, but why does he never get the long glove of investigation and inquiry up his flabby turtle ass.

I'm currently reading the report and the one thing so far that stands out to me is this passage. The ( ) is mine to clarify what Mueller is referring to from another paragraph.

"Officers from (GRU) Unit 74455 separately hacked computers belonging to state boards of elections, secretaries of state, and US companies that supplied software and other technology related to the administration of US elections."

Now read that again and ask your Congress critter WHY they are refusing to protect our elections from a hostile foreign power.

Every rethug should have his ass lit up with this question every single time they open their lying mouths.

We have been ATTACKED and rethugs do nothing but lie, obfuscate and distract. Light them up!

The media always focus and harass the Dems. They need to focus on and harass McConnell and the Senate GOP starting with Collins and Murkowski. Hound them endlessly. They are the ones who need to answer for their behavior. The Dems are doing their jobs. It is the Senate side of things that are letting this country rot into an authoritarian hell.

The Deep State has been on my mind lately. Here's a summary about the book written by Mike Lofgren and published in September 2018.. We're in deep trouble. The coupe is so blatant. Impeachment may not be enough, a revolution may soon be in order.

"Every four years, tempers are tested and marriages fray as Americans head to the polls to cast their votes. But does anyone really care what we think? Has our vaunted political system become one big, expensive, painfully scripted reality TV show? In this powerful expose of the sins and excesses of Beltwayland, a longtime Republican party insider argues that we have become an oligarchy in form if not in name. Hooked on war, genuflecting to big donors, in thrall to discredited economic theories and utterly bereft of a moral compass, America’s governing classes are selling their souls to entrenched interest while our bridges collapse, wages, stagnate, and our water is increasingly undrinkable.

Mike Lofgren was the first to use the term Deep State, in an essay and exclusive interview on Moyers and Company, to refer to a web of entrenched interests in the US government and beyond (most notably Wall Street and Silicon Valley, which controls access to our every click and swipe) that dictate America’s defense decisions, trade policies and priorities with little regard for the actual interests or desires of the American people. In this essential and eye-opening book Lofgren takes his argument one step further. Drawing on insights gleaned over three decades on Capitol Hill, much of it on the Budget Committee, he paints a gripping portrait of the dismal swamp on the Potomac and the revolution it will take to reclaim our government and set us back on course.

I wish that there were four Repug Senators with enough courage and patriotism to at least temporarily switch parties, thereby removing McConnell from power.

Remember Burnett LIKES tRump. He is the one withholding the tape of him saying the n word. Not that would do any good the deplorables would love it and they would pay more blacks to attend his little rallies.

Burnett is all about profit.

Joe & Mika are out today. WTF. Scarborough is missing be a big opportunity to deliver some fresh, hard-hitting material.

^delete 'be'

Here. This is what Mitch McConnell is aiding and abetting.

Democrats (Pelosi on down) need to get off their wimpy asses and impeach this lying orange cretin.

What happened to ALL the posters who were SO SURE that Mueller would end up indicting if not Trump himself, then surely some members of his immediate family. Never happened. What say you now oh wise soothsayers?

What say I R392? After hearing Mueller yesterday, I am more than convinced that Barr shut down Mueller's investigations before he was finished. Remember Mueller wanted to interview Don Jr.? Then, suddenly, Mueller was done and Barr wrapped it up with a big shiny, gold bow. Barr shut him down.

R391 and R392 - if you couldn't already tell from its content - is a blocked troll.

"I had nothing to do with Russia helping me get elected."

R395 Sweet Lord, he's such an inept, corrupt moron!

Wow, that's the best he could come up with, R395? His bag of tricks is nearly gone. "No collusion with Russia" just doesn't quite work anymore except for his brain-dead base.

R395 - Russian interference in our election was the fucking reason for the Mueller investigation in the first place, you Orange Turd. Many people have been charged. How is that a Hoax?

That Trump tweet is just confirmation that NOTHING will be done to prevent Russia from interfering in our elections again. He wants to win at all costs. Congress has to implement something before 2020 or we're stuck with this imbecile and the GOP for another 4 years.

Boy is Trump an idiot, R395. See this is why the Democrats are taking this slowly. He just admitted that Russian interference got him elected AND that he fought back against the accusations, which is obstruction! The Democrats are giving Trump enough rope to hang himself.

At this point *anyone*, prioritizing *anything* over election integrity should be branded an enemy of the state. I have been telling you people since 2004 that our tallying is hacked. If I hear one more seemingly informed person propose "voting" as a solution to any existing governmental/social problems I'm giving up on humanity, wholesale.

R400 Please, please, please let him hang himself!

Better yet, accidentally burning himself, thus taking the "witch hunt" bull to its logical conclusion.

r402, please, like there's a beam in that old house that could hold his weight; like he didn't pay off some other kid to get his knot-tying badge in Scouts; like he could be bothered to exert the amount of energy jumping off a chair would require;…like there hasn't been a contingency plan in place for the exact scenario since Putin pulled the trigger on Candidate Trump.

Worst of all, including DJT, Vlad, Miz Lindz Barr, etc., is Mitch McConnell and the key people (Kochs & their ilk) who skyrocketed his rise to Senate leadership. This mess would not have happened without him and company creating the conditions for it and sustaining it. It is all about personal greed and the power to deliver for the corrupt interests that got him there. Sure, he is one of many. But he was the chosen honcho. He is a very shrewd and most devious individual.

I believe Bitch McConnell is an embarrassment to mankind.

He looked very pumpkin/Oompa Loompa like on the helipad today. More than usual. Did they hire a new bronzer?

NBC: Trump attacks Mueller as a 'true never-Trumper' after admitting for first time that Russia helped elect him

I've noticed the new dark burnt orange shade he's been sporting, too . Must be his summertime "glow". Unless he's wearing blackface.

Politico: Trump offers conflicting signals on whether he believes Russia got him elected

I'm another who is baffled by the media's lack of focus on McConnell and the GOP's inaction about future Russian election interference.

They're so focused on "impeach now!" rhetoric that I can only assume they think blocking legislation to protect elections isn't sexy enough in comparison.

The MSN really wants impeachment ASAP for the sake of ratings.

So now Trump wants us to believe that Mueller has been holding a decade long grudge against Trump over a minor dispute over membership dues at one of his golf clubs? And that Mueller waited all this time, hoping that one day Trump would become President , and hoping that he would be chosen to head an investigation into Trump's Presidency so that he could get sweet revenge? Out of all the crazy things that Trump has said, this has got to be in the top 10.

Rupert Murdoch and NewsCorp, the owner and organization that possess Fox News and a proliferated quantity of right-wing newspapers and tabloids/supermarket rags along with other media types, need to be held accountable. Some of it is "news", a lot of it is propaganda and misinformation. This is an international operation.

The FCC and Congress will not address it. Unless somehow there is a well organized and effective boycott of their advertisers, little else can be done. Pressure on their satellite/cable carriers may help, but there are too many Fox viewers to make a significant difference.

The media is not our friend. It's supposed to manipulate us in a certain direction, misdirect and distract us. If we want these people to be held accountable we have to do it ourselves and not wait for, say, the media or voting at elections (Russia is hacking them anyway) to do it.

All these options we are supposed to believe and trust in are just scams to make us believe that we have some control and stay out of the way to get screwed over some more.

I do hope that I am wrong and Trump is not getting re-elected though.

Reuters: Trump will make 'dramatic' statement about border this week

Look. If we want the Media to go after McConnell we have to shame them into it. We have to get on social media and raise hell with individual reporters and networks and online media outlets. I think Joy Reid, Rachel MAddow, Chris Hayes, Anderson Cooper, Jake Tapper, are tip of the iceberg. Go after them and all the other reporters. Insist McConnell isn't being held accountable and push them to investigate him. NYT, WaPo, AP wire, Raw Story, Daily Beast, Politico, and anyone else you can think of.

What I've found is that if you post on a site of someone who is popular, their followers will pick it up and retweet it. Don't stop. One shot won't do it. Just every time you pop in to Twitter and Facebook, (I find Twitter more effective) post something about McConnell being corrupt, derelict in his duty, and ask when the media will focus on him. Ask why "so many reporters" are ignoring McConnell's role. Hey. Shine some light on Bannon, and the Kochs too. The Kochs are evil, but they hate t o look bad. It works.

r412, that statement may actually be grounds for a 25th Amendment removal; it's textbook paranoid delusional disorder.

R390 here. It was a link to the Daily Beast article about how McConnell is blocking legislation that would address cyber security, for the 2020 elections.

Bloomberg: Mueller Adds to Impeachment Fervor, But Democrats Won’t Move Fast

WTF are they posting it as "news" that "Trump is sending conflicting signals on whether or not he believes Russia, etc.etc.etc." Fuck Trump. Fuck his announcements, fuck his tweets, fuck him. We need to be focused on removal. Period. And we need to go after the Senate. I hope more of us will get hostile with the Media and insist we expect more of them.

Not the Onion. Trump renames carbon dioxide as molecules of freedom. Is this really happening?

NYT: Analysis: Mueller Delivered a Message. Washington Couldn’t Agree on What It Was.

r422, your post burst my cognitive dissonance bubble into a fit of laughter.

Just making up words at this point.

To bring down Trump, it won't be about firing Comey, Trump Tower meeting, etc.

FOLLOW THE MONEY. CONGRESS FOCUS ON THE MONEY. DEMAND THE RECORDS. SUBPOENA AT EVERY TURN. GET THE TAX RECORDS. EVERY PERTINENT BANK RECORD. THE LOANS. THE CASH TRANSFERS. WHERE LAUNDERING IS SUSPECTED. NAIL MNUCHIN, IRS HEAD, FILE IN COURT. SUBPOENA THE ACCOUNTANTS. CALL THE KENNEDY SON IN. EXPOSE THE MONEY TRAIL OF TRUMP ORGANIZATION FINANCES. INCLUDE IVANKA, JARED, ERIC, AND JUNIOR.

Here’s a question I don’t know the answer to.

Is it required that all the articles of impeachment be sent as a single set to the Senate? Let’s say that given what we know now that a House impeachment inquiry could quickly get us to a vote on aiding and abetting foreign election interference, obstruction of justice and violations of the emoluments clause, could those sets of charges be sent as separate impeachments to the Senate to try? Or does it have to be a single trial?

I am thinking it would be useful and appropriate to have three to five impeachment trials (I think we’d eventually get to racketeering and from racketeering to human trafficking) rather than one.

Oh, I absolutely agree R426, and make sure every fucking voter knows what they did. Bank fraud, money laundering tax evasion. Make sure that the voters see it in bites they can digest always asking could you get away with this? What would happen to us if we falsified applications for loans? What would happen to us if we evaded taxes? What would happen to us if we were caught committing money laundering, or failing to pay off loans?

I want Ivanka to suffer extreme levels of humiliation in the months and years to come. Someone should erect a giant naked statue of her with her naked father bending her over and fucking her from behind. And it should be right in front of Trump Tower. I just want all of them to be utterly humiliated.

The Trials are held in the Senate. McConnell would probably simply hold a NO vote.

But, just like the Republicans had 50+ votes to get rid of ObamaCare. The House could refer Articles of impeachment every month till January 2021. Adding each time.

Chief Justice John Roberts oversees the Impeachment TRIAL.....McConnell cant do shit to stop it other than try to convince his fellow republicans to vote against it.

r430....not how it works....the charges would go as a package...like a multi-count indictment....if they are going to add to it, it will be while its still in the House.

The beauty in McConnell's refusal to give the no conviction decison in the Senate no time for due process is that after the non-conviction the Dems can officially brand McConnell and the GOP as part of the cover-up. And the cover up meme will be in full bloom during the election campaign and the election.

If the Dems play the game right and time their investigations and hearings and impeachment sentencing right (forcing the Republican Party to scamble and be on the defense and establish a narrative instead of the offense trying to counter an established narrative of a cover-up).

r432, package goes to Senate for trial. No trial, Republican vote. Does not convict. > House adds more articles package goes to Senate for trial. No trial, Republican vote. Does not convict. Rinse and repeat.

They add to it on subsequent Impeachment referrals.

Just like the 50+ ACA repeal attempts.

R432 assuming there would be multiple counts under each main area, must all the impeachment charges be bundled together in a single “indictment” to the Senate or can they be split into separate “indictments” either because the topic areas are so different (emoluments very are different than obstruction) or timing (obstruction portion of investigation is ready in three months, racketeering in a year.)

I agree R433. If the Democrats impeach now, they turn Trump into a victim instead of what he is, a victimizer. He will only use impeachment to his advantage.

So I understand regarding Nancy Pelosi's stance on impeachment: It's not that she's against it, she's just strategizing. She has agreed to investigations, it's that she's waiting for the precise time to officially start proceedings so that it completely conflicts with Trump's election campaign. Is that correct?

Yes, R437.

Trump needs to be damaged as much as possible since Russia will help him win the next election. The Democrats need to streamline their subpoenas when it comes to the Mueller Report findings. They should focus on a couple of people like Mueller and McGahn. Slowly, public opinion will turn against him. When they get to a point of no return, they start the impeachment process. At the same time, they need to pass some legislation: healthcare and infrastructure. If the GOP and/or Trump let the bills die, Dems can use it to their advantage in the next election.

I hope he strokes out in front of the Queen next week. And Philip steps over his corpse.

[quote]I will stand behind President Trump regarding new initiatives.....

Suppose the standing behind position leaves less to the imagination......

These new Trump attacks on the late John McCain today, and Graham says nothing about it? Yet, he does tweet after tweet defending and praising Trump, followed by Fox interviews doing the same.

Those of you stuck in red state hell - are you calling your senators and asking why they aren't supporting election integrity? Demanding they tell turtle to bring the house election security bill to the floor?

Have you asked them if they have read the Mueller report? I bet none of them have. They need to be held to account as well.

The ONLY thing that matters NOW is ensuring Election Integrity. EVERYTHING ELSE is a Distraction.

R443 Except Trump is the antithesis of integrity. If he's in the election, he will bring cheating and corruption with him. Guaranteed.

r444, is your head made of styrofoam? Way to miss the point....

I actually think David Frum makes a good case against impeachment- "Trump accountability is not an all-or-nothing choice. It’s not now or never. The House can investigate every Trump misdeed, exposing to the light of day everything from allegations of money laundering and bank fraud to the abuse of undocumented-immigrant laborers at Trump-owned properties. It can investigate the Trump-Russia file, not as a case of criminal conspiracy, but as a national-security threat. It can fight the battle for proper Trump financial disclosure in the courts—and summon the national-security professionals who were overruled by Trump when they denied Jared Kushner a security clearance to testify before committees."

So his point is that it's better to save impeachment in case Trump wins a second term, since they've only got one shot at it and instead, build the case towards it by having all of Trump's crimes under investigation in 2020 instead of just having it under one umbrella of impeachment.

Whether or not Trump wins, they can still go for impeachment and they'd have a stronger case with the public after witnessing the outcome of multiple investigations.

McConnell and Republicans have no intention of doing anything about Russian ratfucking.

If not Trump, who?

Are we going to leave the Impeachment process to be used against Democrats for blowjobs but not major international CRIMES?

It renders the Constitution silly.

[quote]Elizabeth Warren: if Trump were not president, 'he'd be in handcuffs' – live

Currently on the Guardian LIVE feed.

So far, Warren is the only candidate whose speech is uncompromisingly direct.

I agree Dems should concentrate on election integrity. And make it a consisted targeted strategy. Start holding hearings and oversight on what's not being done and why. Start branding not only Trump, but McConnell and the rest of Russia deniers as national security threats. Repeat daily.

R446 that's basically what is happening. Right now to the degree some of even my most trusted media types are criticizing Pelosi, and making all these "moral arguments" for Impeachment, the game plan on the Republican side is to goad Nancy into starting the Impeachment process right now. They are also trying to weaken her hold on the Speaker's chair. We cannot take the bait. Push back. Tell the media types who are making "moral arguments" for impeachment now that the objective is the removal of Trump. Not some empty symbolic gesture that Trump can use to propel him to a second term. We aren't stupid.

Here is the link for Warren:

{quote]Elizabeth Warren: If Trump "were anyone other than the President of the United States, he would be in handcuffs and indicted ... I didn't take an oath to support Donald Trump. I took an oath to support the Constitution. So impeachment it is."

[quote]I'll tell you what pisses me off. All the focus on Pelosi and the Democratic House. They're ready. They will do their job. But McConnell and Graham have the Senate locked down. They have Barr running game at the DoJ.

Someone needs to spill the tea on McConnell, and someone else needs to out Miss Graham like 20 years ago. What the fuck are Democrats afraid of? It’s time to get nasty with these pieces of shit.

I love Elizabeth and she is doing the American people a service because she is helping us bring the concept of impeachment to the grassroots voters who need to hear it. But she can afford to talk because she faces no consequences. She is not in a position, as Pelosi is, to call any shots right now. She has that luxury. So while I applaud her and other Presidential candidate who are willing to look voters in the eye and call Trump out for his treason and his corruption, it's a luxury Elizabeth can afford.

R454 is right. All of the Senators currently running for President need to take control of messaging, so the House can ultimately do its job.

[quote]So far, Warren is the only candidate whose speech is uncompromisingly direct.

Warren has it correct.

no we should not fucking wait until Trump might win a second term to impeach. If he wins again the new claim would be that impeachment would equal political suicide. This is not the same as Nixon.

They need to impeach before Trump's first term is over. I totally agree if they message it correctly, they can tag McConnell as part of the cover up. Put the repubs on the defense. There's no reason why Democrats should be on the defense with all the damaging info no Trump.

I understand them wanting to wait until they get his finances but after that it's time.

Warren is just trying to flank Biden. I don't think it will help her.

Here's Beto

[quote]and someone else needs to out Miss Graham like 20 years ago. What the fuck are Democrats afraid of?

Gossip has it a Charleston newspaper has information that they sat on several month back, but decided not to go with it for whatever reason. LG is up for re-election in 2020. A Democratic opponent recently announced. If juicy information can be confirmed, he will use it. LG's opponent, Jaime Harrison, had a major DNC role; he knows the DC and Carolina dirt.

It will take formidable revelations to unseat LG. He's not that personally popular in SC, but has an astonishing load of cash for his campaign, most coming from outside the state.

I received a letter in the mail today from Melania, talking about how the evil media and their fake news have attacked her Christian husband, as she asked for GOP contributions.

How the HELL did I get on that mailing list???

An oldie but a goodie.

I don’t think Graham is going to make it through another election.

Man, the last thing I want to imagine is Yertle getting plowed.

R461, burn that letter and bury the ashes in the woods.

Trump still personally attacking Mueller is quite stupid. Mueller may get more motivated to appear before Congress, and be in a more elaborative mode.

Now Barr is attacking Mueller. Basically calling him a coward for not bringing any charges against Trump.

CBS: Barr says Mueller "could've reached a decision" on whether Trump obstructed justice

Heck, Russia will be able to do anything they want with the 2020 campaigns and election interference. Trump denies Russia helped get him elected, Republicans, like McConnell, shrug their shoulders and refuse to address the issue. No commission has been formed to investigate and make comprehensive recommendations. Barr will withhold funds and personnel to take enhanced preventive measures, and there are no national endeavors to train state and local poll officials and election operatives to deter and prevent the hacking of voter rolls and data, as well as keeping machines safe from unauthorized infiltrations.

The Democrats, media, and the general public need to be raising a huge fuss about this NOW, and not wait and react after another tainted election when it is too late.

Some third world countries may be protecting their election processes better than what has been happening in the U.S.

Reuters: Ex-Trump adviser Stone faces uphill battle in quest to dismiss indictment

ABC: If Trump weren't president 'he'd be in handcuffs': Sen. Warren

[QUOTE] Those of you stuck in red state hell - are you calling your senators and asking why they aren't supporting election integrity?

Do they put you through when you call the senator?

^The best way is to send snail mail letters and request a reply to questions. Someone in the office will read it. Provide your address and phone #.

Putin is getting in on the Mueller bashing, too.

Why doesn’t Rachel Maddow publicly out Graham and McConnell??

She tried to shame Pete Buttigieg for waiting so long to come out... but she gives those assholes a free pass?!

Good for the people involved in this video, but it's so sad that it's even necessary.

where the fuck are the Flynn transcripts and audio? Tomorrow is the last day of May. Last week we heard the judge wanted them released by the end of May. Hopefully tonight or tomorrow we get it.

We need another bombshell. Audio is always damaging

Stephanie Rhule made a brief comment a few months back, speculating that Graham may be compromised. She was attacked by Alt-Right and Russia-associated media as being homophobic.

Earlier, a gay editor of the Democratic Underground organization (not a part of the Democratic Party) suggested Graham was compromised, and was vigorously attacked by the Breitbart-type publications and Russian-affiliated media such as RT and Sputnik. The editor was called "homophobic" by the far right media, though he is openly gay. Mainstream U.S. media ignored it all.

Graham has an established, fast-acting,network of defenders and supposedly counter-punchers if anything sordid is given speculation or perhaps revealed about him. And he knows it. That may be why, in part, he won't deviate from being a rabid Trump sychophant.

I'm going to donate to Graham's newly announced Senate challenger Jaime Harrison. He's likable but obviously it's tough in South Carolina for liberals to win

Graham is a nasty piece of shit.

Ruhle (MSNBC) - spelling correction

Newsweek: Rudy Giuliani Mocks Fox News' Judge Napolitano for Being 'Bitter' at Trump

NBC: Feds take possession of Paul Manafort's Trump Tower condo

R474 Putin needs to crawl back under the rock he emerged from and take that reptile Trump with him.

^Yes, you get to a staff member who takes your message (2o2) 224-3i3i.

This is what every reporter should be asking every republican and what every democrat should be asking every reporter every fucking day. WHY?

Reuters: North Korea's Kim Jong Un carrying out purge after Hanoi summit collapse: Chosun Ilbo

Okay, now I am really in love. ^

Miami Herald: Federal prosecutors demand Cindy Yang records from Mar-a-Lago, Trump campaign

CNN: Disaster aid bill blocked in the House again after House GOP objection

Politico: Outrage over McCain incident adds to Shanahan's hurdles

I believe Nancy also wants to hold the impeachment over Trump's head. If they wait until there is enough to say to him, resign or we'll impeach you, it will be easier than if they proceed with the impeachment and no longer have it to hold over him.

Excellent point^

Shouldn’t this be the last of these “Mueller” threads? He’s resigned from the DOJ now.

You sound bothered, R493.

And concerned, r494.....

Would it be too much for the entire Royal Family to mix in a little of Prince Archie's piss into Donald's meals, Color Purple-style?

From last January.

Mueller is careful in his choice of words, both in the report and in his speech.

He said the Russians engaged in “MASSIVE interference” in the 2016 election. A matter about which every American ought to be concerned.

It’s a 400+ page report,

Why did he highlight THAT in the 8 minutes he spoke?

1. Because it stands in stark contrast to the Trump’s prior claim that Putin didn’t interfere. (Subtext- Trump is a liar)

2. Because it raises the question of why Trump would defy his own intelligence community to protect Russia. (Subtext - The President is working on behalf of a foreign adversary to undermine the US); and,

3. “Every” American should be concerned because Russia did not just “interfere.” They “Massively” interfered. (Subtext - Votes were altered.)

On this last point, Mueller probably can’t say it directly - that would be doing Putin’s work for him - undermining confidence in the democratic process.

Instead, he says we ALL must take steps to secure the integrity of our elections from Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Koreans, whomever.

[quote]Those of you stuck in red state hell - are you calling your senators and asking why they aren't supporting election integrity? Demanding they tell turtle to bring the house election security bill to the floor?

I've been raising hell with my congresspeople in NYC. My NY voter registration was fine when I checked in September 2016; on election day it had magically vanished. Nobody in NY city or state government was able to explain why my name was pulled from the registration rolls.

I also don't think people are hammering enough that 1) Mueller said there was not enough evidence to charge Dotard with Conspiracy and 2) If they had thought he was innocent of obstruction they would have said so.

Media outlets, not that they ever would because they don't care, but they need to point out that there wasn't enough evidence because Dotard OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE.

Good Article...

Good for David Corn!

If you read the report Mueller also said one of the reasons they couldn't flesh out the conspiracy angle was because certain witnesses and information was not made available to them. I found that puzzling. Oh, and he strongly inferred that yes the votes were hacked. He was very specific about what the Russians did.

R504: If the votes were hacked, Trump is an invalid president! That goes far beyond Wikileakes and misinformation trolling! I wish Mueller had said THAT yesterday.

Wished Mueller had mentioned the pee pee girls and shown the tape.

I got into a very polite discussion about impeachment on twitter. I posted that people ought to focus on the Senate because the House was already conducting investigative hearings, even though they were being obstructed, subpoenas ignored, witnesses refusing to testify, and documents withheld.

So this guy who is complaining about the House started talking about how we needed a formal Impeachment inquiry since it would have more power and we would get more cooperation! LOL! Utter nonsense, but oddly familiar lately.

So I explained that the basic investigatory process was the same, and I remember studying Watergate how Nixon resisted and obstructed and they were constantly in court. So then asshole says yes but Nixon got busted and was removed. And I said no, Nixon resigned before they could impeach him because Goldwater and 3 other Republican senators told him the House would vote to impeach and he had no votes in the Senate to avoid a conviction.

So the guy starts some other line of pro impeachment argument, So I was tired of his B.S. and something seemed off. So then I said, WTF ever. I said, I'm supporting Nancy Pelosi. Whatever she says. Because she is a sharp experienced strategist.

After that he stopped tweeting. Once I said I was with Pelosi, he dumped me. It was as if his whole strategy was disrupted. It is obvious to me they are using the notion of impeachment to weaken and undermine Pelosi. Even in her own caucus, in the House there a re some Dems like Seth Moulton and his cabal who are trying to undermine her. They're bad news too.

There is no Pee-Pee tape. It was a distraction. What Putin allegedly has is Trump fucking little girls during the Ms. Universe Pageant when it was in Moscow.

Don't say Trump is not garnering new and enthusiastic younger voters.

CNN Newsroom ‏Verified account @CNNnewsroom

Professor @AllanLichtman has correctly predicted nine straight presidential elections.

He tells @BrookeBCNN that Trump will win again in 2020 "unless the Democrats grow a spine and do their Constitutional duty, and move into an impeachment inquiry."

Lichtman has developed a system of 13 “key factors” that help determine whether the party in the White House will maintain its hold, according to CNN. The factors range from whether the party has an incumbent president running to the country’s short- and long-term economic conditions to foreign policy successes and failures. If the party loses out on six factors or more, he says they will lose the presidency.

Lichtman says the Trump administration is down three key factors: Republican losses in the midterms elections, a “lack of foreign policy success” and Trump’s “limited appeal to voters,” CNN reported. Impeachment would trigger a fourth key — scandal over the proceeding’s public nature.

I think Pelosi is working a strategy to the point of show. She will keep resisting. Her caucus will keep growing more and more persistent. She will resist a little less. A few more Repugs will join Amash. Her caucus will reach a majority calling for impeachment around October/November. By this point, the testimony of key witnesses will have begun. A nexus will be reached where the majority of Democrats and a big enough handful of Repugs in the House will vote to impeach and enough damning evidence has been broadcast to the public and Pelosi will pull the trigger with a resounding BOOM. The actual articles will be written up and voted on in February. The trial in late Spring, going right into the election.

If you read the article at R486 you'll learn it's not a purge, trump's sweetheart Kim Jong Un is executing the envoys who failed to make a deal with the US. I wonder what trump thinks of his true love now. Probably jealous he can't kill people, he can only fire them.

@ R512 ^ not JUST a purge . . .

He did R505

I believe Trump is completely insane. After watching Trump this morning...I fear for our country.

^^After...this morning??? (like) NOW - a warning????

R504 well some of the people involved are in Russia and there's no extradition treaty with them and they're Kremlin-linked anyway.

How far out is Dear Leader going to get?

^^ True, but some of them aren't!!

R517 True, but some of them aren't!!

Trump:

[quote]Russia, Russia, Russia! That’s all you heard at the beginning of this Witch Hunt Hoax...And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected. It was a crime that didn’t exist.

Mueller:

[quote]“Every” American should be concerned because Russia did not just “interfere.” They “Massively” interfered. (Subtext - Votes were altered.)

So 'Russia Russia Russia' really cannot be said to have 'disappeared' if it helped an American 'President' to 'win' an election. That's news which will remain news forever.

Momentous that Trump has now conceded he not only had but needed Russian help to 'win' the election - given those odd surges and tight margins noted by election experts. It wasn't just a 'great campaign', deplorable resentment and Hillary's emails - it was 'massive' Russian interference.

Pseudo-alpha 'winner' Trump has now publicly put his grovelling to Putin and hundreds of links with other Russians into explicit context.

It takes his particular brand of mental illness to assert that he had nothing to do with any such 'massive' help, and now it will all go away. As he originally wanted it all to go away. It's grimly satisfying that it will never go away, and that Trump will soon be branded the most treasonous 'President' in American history.

How the Brits view Trump

[quote]He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit.

IT seems to me that Nancy knows to play the reasonable head of Democratic Party, she knows she will be taking the heat from impatient Dems and the president, but this gives the Dems running for office the opportunity to shout loudly for impeachment. Totally agree with r511, she wants to build up the anticipation and outrage as more shit comes out on a daily basis and as trump goes more insane every day. More GOP are going to suddenly "see the light" they see Justin amash's star rise due to his break with trump. Some will claim that they have thoroughly re-read the Mueller report and now understand what needs to be done. I trust Nancy.

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Margaret and Helen on LG

The OP’s picture makes me want to make this comment:

That hand gesture is simply how Nancy gestures. She does a tomahawk chop when she is making a point. It has nothing to do with Trump nor have any kind of hidden message. It’s not just the OP, but MSNBC made too much of that gesture as well.

Ganga Tarot on Report

Trump's Dept. of Health & Human Services, proposing a rule added to the ACA that health services providers may deny treatments for "religious and moral reasons".

This ain't just wedding cake decorating.

From the Washington Post:

CBS: Barr says DOJ, Mueller sparred over "legal analysis" in Russia report

USA Today: Elizabeth Warren: Pass a law so the president can be indicted

Washington Post: ‘I’m done with him’: Nancy Pelosi doesn’t want to talk about Trump anymore

Roll Call: Democrats pounce on citizenship question revelations

L.A. Times: Trump sows confusion with tweet conceding Russia helped him win 2016 election

CBS: Did Obama officials commit treason? "Not as a legal matter," Barr says

Sire, R526, keep telling yourself that.

You sound as stupid as you are.

Bill Barr is scrambling hardcore. Mueller has totally outed him as a fraud and a water carrier for Trump.

Barr doesn't seem to care what he's outed for. Part of me wonders if he's proud that everyone knows he;s a lying, disgusting, pig.

The pic at r535 reminds me I need to pick up some russets.

What is this 17-minute rant they are referring to? Is there a new one?

R532 Brilliant statement, Nancy!

Nothing eats away at a malignant narcissist like Dump like being ignored and dismissed, especially if Dump perceives her as a mother figure.

Along with Warren's wanting to reverse precedent so a President can be Indicted, we should also go ahead and include something that states Senators can be Impeached as well.

Reminder: Today, Robert Mueller’s grand jury is finally going to get testimony from Roger Stone associate Andrew Miller, a witness who has been fighting to not testify and not talk to the grand jury, despite a subpoena ordering him to do just that.

May 1 to Congress: “We accepted the Special Counsel’s legal framework for purposes of our analysis...in reaching our conclusion”

May 31 to CBS: “We didn’t agree with …a lot of the legal analysis in the Report…So we applied what we thought was the right law.”

"It's fair for us to ask whether the president of the United States was compromised, and frankly, I believe he was." -Rep. Mike Quigley, member of the House Intelligence Committee

"I think the president wants us to impeach him," the California Democrat told Jimmy Kimmel. "He knows it's not a good idea to be impeached, but the silver lining for him is then, he believes, that he would be exonerated by the United States Senate.

"And," Pelosi continued, "there is a school of thought that says, 'If the Senate acquits you, why bring charges against him in the private sector when he's no longer president?' So when we go through with our case, it's got to be ironclad. Ironclad."

Good God. It’s like the Republican Party is living through a real-life version of “Invasion of the Body Snatchers”. Once upon a time, not too long ago, Republicans were the Party of Free Trade. Today, they’re the Party of Whatever Bat-Shit Crazy Thing Trump Does.

R554 As expected, Pelosi ain't going to do shit. She'll drag this out until the 2020 elections and pray Democrats win.

As expected, R558 your troll posts followed quickly. Sounds like this thread title was made for you!

I know Navarro is still a Rethug at heart, but I'll enjoy her while she's a thorn in their side and calling them out for their hypocrisy.

r546, go back to Civics class or at least Google: removing a Senator from Congress. Removing a Representative from the House of Representatives.

[quote]USA Today: Elizabeth Warren: Pass a law so the president can be indicted

Warren is killing it.

The House needs to pass this ASAP.

I cannot believe so many people are so obtuse as to react with alarm when Nancy says, "I'm done with him..." Anyone who has ever had a mother knows perfectly well what she is saying. She is SO NOT "done with him..."

Did anyone see her on Jimmy KImmel? Did you hear that? "We are on a path..." She said it several times.... and when Jimmy asked if we would finally get to where we're going in 2020, she said "YES." We need to have faith in Nancy. As she also pointed out to Kimmel, she knows more about what is in the Mueller report than anyone. As Speaker, do remember she is privy to top secret information and briefings on a regular basis.

There is SO much going on right now behind the scenes I'm comforted to know Pelosi has the best staff ever. She has to keep on top of all kinds of crap

Also, since Barr has now publicly admitted he "sparred" with Mueller and he overruled him, he is now obligated under the rules for the Special Prosecutor, to report to Congress and explain wy he overruled him. He has to appear before them and do that. That filthy pig.

Yes, R561 and just how does the expulsion happen with McTurtle as Majority leader?

[quote]He has to appear before them and do that. That filthy pig.

Barr has proven he won't do anything he doesn't want to.

The Anti-Nancy trolls are out in full force.... they're also idiots.

People have such short-term memories. Nancy obviously knows what she's doing and has a strategy. If she's not moving forward to impeach right now, there is a damn good reason for it.

Not knowing her reasons, it appears obvious you don't want to start that shit up without enough ammunition to at least make anyone that would go against it look like treasonous, compromised, criminals.

Of course he didn't read the report.

Dotard can't read.

r564, exactly the way a President is convicted in the Senate. I was only addressing that the mechanism already exists.

The problem with America is a Republican Party that places its own power over the needs of the country.

Exactly.

hey, members of Congress can be expelled and have been. The Senate Majority Leader can be removed from his leadership post. It takes the WILL of those senators to get it done. Now if those fuckers refuse to deal with McConnell after he has refused to get the Ballot security legislation passed even though most of the Senate claims to support it, then those fuckers all need to go. In fact we need to get rid of them in 2020. The entire party is totally corrupted.

The lawsuit about Gerrymandering just included new information. Apparently in 2015, Republican consultants did research and showed how including questions in the Census on citizenship would assist Republicans in more effective gerrymandering. It is crystal clear to anyone with the ability to read, and the Supremes cannot ignore the political implications of including this in the census questions. This is before Trump. And I recently read that John Bolton was championing dark money in political campaigns, insisting donations were "free speech" since 1985, long before Citizens United in 2012.

My point is the Republican Party agrees with Trump. He is their sideshow clown.While we are busy reading his latest twitter rants, the GOP is busy consolidating their stranglehold. The entire PArty is corrupt and they all need t o go. If they don't stand up to Trump and McConnell, they are rotten pieces of shit.

I believe in Nancy. I like her strategy. Trump is so frustrated and wound up, that with each passing day, he spins out of control. Why, just yesterday, he admitted that Russia helped to get him elected. Drip by drip, it's all coming out. This is Nancy's equivalent of Chinese water torture.

They've always been rotten pieces of shit, regardless. They don't care who knows it.

I love that Samantha Bee video.

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I'm sure the Republican party is doing tons of stuff while we watch the buffoon. you can't tell me the abortion thing wasn't planned in all these states to coordinate with each other at the same time.

R537 is undoubtedly correct.

Trump was livid that Barr wasn’t in DC to rebut Mueller. So the Administration went into overdrive.

With this White House, here’s how it probably went down:

“Holy Shit! We gotta shut this down! Tell the networks Barr will give an exclusive interview to the first big name legal reporter they can get to Alaska.”

“How about FOX?”

“No way. Viewers are dumb as shit. The Deplorables don’t even know Mueller’s spoken. The story’s breaking mainstream. We’re gonna have to use somebody there.

Hey, we got Terry Moran from ABC and Jan Crawford from CBS on the phone.

Choose the Girl.

R560 Of course, Navarro is a Repug at heart. So are Nicolle Wallace, Rick Wilson, Max Boot, and the slew of others raging against Trump. In a way, they are more betrayed than anyone, including the Democrats. They have morals and ethics. Their party was stolen right from under them. Yes, they differ with us ideologically, but they're good, reasonable people, entitled to their beliefs and opinions, and proof that if/when things ever get back to normal, we can agree to disagree yet still live our lives in peace. Unlike Trump and his corrupt supporters, they're on Team USA, and will stand by us to fight the true enemy. In this case it's Russia, and Donald Trump!

So, Nancy trusts that the election will not be hacked by Putin then? That's her plan?

No, that is not her plan, R581. Did you just join the thread?

Get off Nancy’s back, already.

There are plenty of republicans that deserve your hatred.

So, what are her latest statement then about?

R582/R584, her statements are very clear - Like in any legal case, better make it airtight. That's what Democrats plan to do.

Anything else?

"He has to appear before them and do that. That filthy pig."

Hey - on behalf of pigs all over the world, I take offense!!

Yeah, pigs - filthy or not - have a very useful purpose.

[quote] USA Today: Elizabeth Warren: Pass a law so the president can be indicted

Warren knows better then that. And if she doesn't she is more ignorant than I would have credited. She is playing to the gallery, not serious policy and legislation.

𝑁𝑜 𝐵𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑜𝑓 𝐴𝑡𝑡𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑟 𝑒𝑥 𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑡 𝑓𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑜 𝐿𝑎𝑤 𝑠ℎ𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑏𝑒 𝑝𝑎𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑑.

Let's see, Al Franken was forced to resign from the Senate, spurred by a pic of his hand gestures over a woman in a NASA pretending to be asleep. Kirsten Gillibrand led a uproar over it.

Lindsey Graham on cable media (Fox) urged Donald Trump Jr. to defy any subpoena issued by Congress investigating Russian meddling in a U.S. election. Not one House or Senate member rose before a legislative body asking for comdemnation of Graham's call for blatant law breaking. Graham retains his Chairmanship of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Democrats will eat their own, but let Republican colleagues slide with disgusting actions.

Would it not be easier to declare Trump's presidency illegitimate because of Russia's act of war hacking the US election? That would make The Senate look complicit by still backing Trump.

r588, they could pass a law that suspends the Statutes of Limitations on any sitting President.

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